Are The Puritans Nuts Or Modern Evangelicals?

This is an examination of how we, as Evangelicals, raise our children, in the light of the worldliness seen in our youth and even in our Church youth groups. Compared to how the Puritans raised their children, it does not seem that we are doing very well. Let us be honest with ourselves and look at how we appear in the light of scripture, not rationalizing and making excuses for how we raise our children. This may step on your toes, but is it not conviction? It is absolutely true that we should not be legalists in the way we think... But Legalism is actually the idea that something we do earns us salvation. Practicing righteousness is not legalism, it is the fruit of those who are "born again". (See 1 John) We are not to practice lawlessness. (Matt 7:23, NKJV) Are we not to train up our children in righteousness, teaching them to love, not worldly things, but godly things? How closely do those of our children, that we believe to be saved, resemble Christ? Do they look like 1 John's picture of those that are saved? Or do they serve the Lord with their lips, and have hearts that are far from Him? But more specifically, are we doing our part to raise them in the way they should go?

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[STEVIEdaFISH]

May I just ask what on earth happened between you two below?? Sounds like a real hissy fit!

[orderslayer1]

@ElasticGiraffe so why is there an Egyptian imported Phallus in the Vatican btw?

[ElasticGiraffe]

@orderslayer1 "This also is a fallacious argument, as if the stating that someone believes in a conspiracy automatically makes their argument invalid. Courts deal with conspiracy all the time."

Asking you to stop spreading RIDICULOUS conspiracy theories CANNOT be a fallacious ARGUMENT. You need help, serious help. Take a college logic class or something, and keep your beloved, pseudohistorical, bigoted theories to yourself and your fellow crank fundamentalists. Cherish them. I bid you good day.

[orderslayer1]

@ElasticGiraffe conspiracy

con=with spir=spirit acy= rulers, principalities, kings. Eph 6:12

Ephesians 6:12 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

This also is a fallacious argument, as if the stating that someone believes in a conspiracy automatically makes their argument invalid. Courts deal with conspiracy all the time.

[ElasticGiraffe]

@orderslayer1 "by allowing Alexandrian occultists to dictate doctrine to us???"

One question mark will suffice, tyvm. Stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one outside of friggin' Independent Baptist and KJV-onlyist circles believes the Alexandrian theologians were occultists. I wonder why... Maybe they're all occultists in league with the devil, too! D:

I am sick of this conversation. Not only did my opponent bring a knife to this gunfight, but the knife is sticking out of his head.

[ElasticGiraffe]

@orderslayer1 "says the one who only uses logical fallacies."

You insist on ignoring my solid refutations of your fallacy accusations, and you keep making the same ignorant accusations over and over again. You're just intellectually dishonest.

"you were stating that only your supposed experts were sound.

I never said that. One again, stop putting words in my mouth.

"Isn't that what the serpent said to Eve in the garden."

I suggest listening to the scholars -- so you compare me to Satan. Nice.

[orderslayer1]

@ElasticGiraffe 2 Peter 1:21

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

the word prophecy to the Jew means anything and everything God says.

'YOU to tell me exactly what God and the human biblical authors, writing in dead languages and ancient cultures, meant?'

so you'd rather Gregory who changed Isaiah 14:12 to state that Lucifer was Jesus to tell you the scriptures? Why not go to Creme?

[orderslayer1]

@ElasticGiraffe 'conclusions of people who ARE in a better position to interpret the Scriptures than yourself:'

so then man determines what is right and wrong? Isn't that what the serpent said to Eve in the garden. He denied God's word, caused doubt, and then deified them putting man above God's Word.

'This is not embracing "the philosophy of men." This is called using the brain that God saw fit to give you.'

by allowing Alexandrian occultists to dictate doctrine to us???

[orderslayer1]

@ElasticGiraffe 'It is not a travesty of reason to heed the views of experts in relevant fields. '

well actually you were stating that only your supposed experts were sound.

''That Roman Catholicism is some conspiratorial continuation of ancient Babylonian paganism is a claim not taken seriously by serious historians.''

'Again, would you please stop pretending that you understand logic? You do not, and it is painfully obvious.'

says the one who only uses logical fallacies.

[ElasticGiraffe]

@orderslayer1 "so then its an appeal to experts? Well that's a logical fallacy too!"

It is a fallacy in FORMAL logic. It is indispensable, however, to INFORMAL reasoning, which is exactly what we are doing right here (at least I am). It is not a travesty of reason to heed the views of experts in relevant fields. That is why there is a special class of "expert witnesses" in the law courts. Again, would you please stop pretending that you understand logic? You do not, and it is painfully obvious.