John Piper's God Exalting Grammar

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The most God centered 3 minutes on YouTube. This is an audio hack from Piper's 3-27-07 visit to the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, SBTS. It features Sovereign Grace music and photos from TimmyBrister.com and was created for

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[UrukEngineer]

@JonathanMartinovici You said

1. "Jesus Christ not only endorsed thse destroying of those nations, but He commanded them"

2. "...all people who are walking on the earth deserve death"

These are aggressive, destructive claims.

Then you say:

"If God should choose to wipe out a whole nation by the hand of a civil power, then He would be just in doing so"

But your church says that you MUST do god's work on Earth

Even if YOU are not a fanatic, can you see why religion is unhealthy?

[JonathanMartinovici]

@UrukEngineer I do not wish to inflict punishment; nor to I wish hell on anyone. I am saying that I believe that all sin deserves hell. God is the one who executes that justice, and He is just to do so.

But let's think on your question:"How can ANY sane human wish to inflict punishment on a fellow human being?" Do you have any sense of justice? But, then, you defend the daily slaughter of innocent unborn children. Is anything worthy of punishment but children being conceived?

[JonathanMartinovici]

@UrukEngineer God is right to punish sin. And in a way, I sympathise with David in Psalm 139, when he says, "O that You would slay the wicked, O God!" This is not in contradiction to compassion. I love sinners who are on the way to Hell. And yet, I would believe God to be perfectly just in punishment. Would you not have compassion on a relative who has committed a crime punishable by death, and yet who obstinately continues in that crime? And, yet, would you consider the judge unjust?

[JonathanMartinovici]

@UrukEngineer No matter how much you deny it, your definition of what is a child is completely arbitrary. You might as well say that the baby outside the womb is not viable because it is still relying on its mother...

I can say I do not wish hell on anyone - I wish that all should flee to Christ. God's wrath is terrible, and God's mercy is beautiful. But your problem is that you don't think that sin is bad. You just think that it's not so good. God's judgment is equal to the offense.

[UrukEngineer]

@JonathanMartinovici “…daily slaughter of innocent unborn children…” this takes us into abortion. I dispute that a collection of cells is a child. But I think this is a bigger issue that, for the sake of focus, we should avoid.

The question is whether god, in reality, lives up to human moral standards.

“…I (don’t) wish hell on anyone” and “…I believe that all sin deserves hell” are irreconsilable contradictions. You clearly endorse god’s vicious punishment; or is god wrong?

[UrukEngineer]

@JonathanMartinovici "I agree that every sin deserves eternal hell"

Do you know what hell is? Eternal agony and pain, despair with no chance for repreive for infinity.

How can ANY sane human wish to inflict punishment on a fellow human being? That is just sick!

[JonathanMartinovici]

@UrukEngineer I agree that every sin deserves eternal hell. That is moral. We have offended an infintely good God, who has dealt only kindly with us; and we somehow think that eternal punishment is too severe?

[UrukEngineer]

@JonathanMartinovici I don't take my morals from the bible - and - neither do you.

Be honest, do you agree with EVERY crime punishment in the bible?

[UrukEngineer]

@JonathanMartinovici "if...evolution were observed concretely, why would so many true scientists disagree?"

You are wrong almost all scientists agree in evolution by natural.

Here is some separate evidence to back up my statement: search " Wikipedia, Level of Support for Evolution" and "Project Steve, National Center for Science Education"

[JonathanMartinovici]

@UrukEngineer Nonetheless, my aim in entering this discussion was not to debate evolution, but to clear up your accusations against the justice of God in the past. You should go to more learned people on the Creationist side to learn more. That's why I recommended the website - you will see many things there that don't get said many other places. Evolutionists rarely fight fairly. They have intentionally blotted out the voice of Creationists, and desire that people regard speculation as fact.