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matt dillahunty vs father hans jacobse [part 04 of 09] - the source of human morality debate
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[13otany13ay]

@jokidder Yupp. After seeing the whole thing I must conclude, that when Father Jacobs says 'christian' he actually means 'good stuff done by people who labeled themselves christians'. Christian for him just means 'it has my approval'.

He never explains HOW a belief in a deity matters for morality. He just maintains that somehow (his) God would be very important, someway and throws the word transcendent in. For religious people 'transcendent' is what 'quantum' is for Sci-Fi-Fans. It means magic.

[Scanini]

The priests question was just prozletyzing.

[Aguijon1982]

I just dont get it... this guy is telling us that morality is objective, absolute, independent from us and so, and then he says that morality changes and evolves??

[R3APER24]

@ryansling I agree. Matt is holding back too much. Hopefully he becomes more relentless like Hitchens was.

The "father's" (whatever the hell that means) answer to the slavery question was horrible.

[moggy041279]

strikes me as funny when matt asked about slavery in the bible. Hans basically tries to blame it on pagans. Im personally an athiest but i have quite a few friends that are pagan i would imagine they might be a little pissed about that. He basically says oh well we had to put it in the bible cos it was pagan culture. I think he needs to study his history a little.

[kurd55]

Father Hans blows.

[neuromatiker]

@beto88keys Thank you for the referral, I think I will pass, as I don't believe the starting premise, that there is a god.

But it is striking to me, that christians claim to have their from the bible, when it is so obviously immoral in places. Sure you can pick and choose, but then it is really your morals that count - not the bibles.

[beto88keys]

@deadmouse217 hmmm, you've never watched any of WLC arguments right? he presents almost the same arguments every time...and you are saying theists make stuff up as they go along? I'd say it's the other way.

[beto88keys]

@neuromatiker Read "is God a moral monster?" by Paul Copan. If you really want to know the answer. If you want to keep believing what your philosophy teacher says, well, don't read it.

[ryansling]

amen thayer79

[ryansling]

matt needs to take the gloves off...

[neuromatiker]

Slavery was pegan... we just kept it around and accepted it i the bible because of economic reasons... ? Where the hell is the morality in that?