TCNJ Frank Turek is confronted by a Skeptic
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Turek should give up all his wordly possessions and go out into the forest and just get lost.
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Two faithers trying to figure out how to make non-sense make sense. Both asserting faith-based postulates. How could this discussion possibly find resolution when there is no evidence with which to verify or falsify?
They might as well stop talking and wait for whoever is wrong to receive the divine revelation of truth, which the one who is right must have already received.
Or maybe, through discussion, one or both will get the inkling that faith-based arguments are useless and unresolvable.
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Never trust the suit and tie. Especially when "god" is the subject of discussion.
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1) You're defining faith as "belief without evidence". This is a modernist definition & not in the NT. 2) Having poor arguments & circular logic doesn't mean one is a charlatan. 3) Most of our beliefs are based on testimony. Every school book and college text you learn from is testimony. News sources are testimony. I have never seen Obama in the white house except on TV, but I trust the testimony of the media that he is president and lives in the real white house.
Peace
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Please read some scholarly historical books on the topic before you make such comments.
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I can't even believe he's citing natural theology. Has he really missed the last 200 years of acquired knowledge?
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@philosophy7575 This is a big tricky language. Holding a belief isn't wrong in and of itself, it's about why you hold that belief. If you hold a belief on faith, it's unreasonable. If you hold a belief based on evidence, you're justified in your belief, and for the record, the evidence I hold that he's a charlatan is his poor argument and circular logic. The last point is holding a belief based on the testimony of a trusted source, which is dangerous territory.
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Funny thing is, the internet atheists community claims to only hold beliefs based on proof. Yet here you are (and the people giving you thumbs up) holding the belief that Turek is a charlatan. You are judging his heart. Yet you cannot prove this!
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The man sounded more like a Calvinist who opposes natural theology, rather than a skeptic.
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@AtheosRecords Bingo, You summarized it brilliantly.
Turek is a charlatan. He KNOWS he is lying, and he KNOWS his sources are false. It cannot be more clear. Someone that eloquent can be that brainwashed, but cannot be that unintelligent. He is a charlatan.
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago 7
turek is an embaresment to logic
MrDasmaster 1 year ago 2