John Piper - Why the Tsunami?

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[genext7]

I heard that drowning is one of the worst ways to die. How wonderful of god to cause us to suffer and struggle, desparately clinging to our last breath, begging for his help... before we go home. hallelujah!

[ezragriffiths]

Totally and utterly shallow.

[1nicawilly]

As a Christian I find this a deeply unsatisfying, poorly thought-thru answer to the problem of evil and suffering. He would have been better off to simply confess that he could not comprehend the mystery and admit his finitude. Sad witness.

[MrHappiness777]

@adstanra there isnt much, its practically all mormon

[elguanteloko]

he should have said at the end: 'one big difference: we are going home... everyone else is going to hell for eternity!'

this is a horrible answer to an already weak straw-man version of the problem of evil. if any of you Christians want to look at a good debate on the issue (not just a one sided talk) check here on youtube Peter Singer's debate with Dinesh D'Souza. you can just search for "Peter Singer debate Dinesh" and it will be the one that has several parts to it.

[adstanra]

I guess God was calling for more repentence in Samoa this wk.

[adstanra]

they are rational, because that is what happened.If you have a replicator, variance,time ...evolution is a certainty.And it will produce a pattern consistent with a mindless process..like a nested heirarchial bush of life.99% of all the life that ever existed on the planet is now extinct. The vast majority of planets are lifeless.A universe of 100 billion gallaxies each w hundreds of billions of stars.This is the evidence of a probabilistic process over time.Yours is an argument from incredulity

[christianman73]

Adstanra,

"Complexity theory" may seem impressive at first, until one recognizes that it is basically making the following assertion-- given sufficient time, distinctive characteristics can turn into their opposites through an unguided process (unguided by anything more than impersonal forces of nature). Atheistic evolution states that given enough time, non-life "evolved" into life. Impersonal matter "evolved" into beings which have personalities. Think about it. Are such ideas rational?

[adstanra]

logic and reason are tools our minds use to exploit the order in the universe.a tornado is a complex entity that arises naturally under an algorythm in certain conditions. We can generate models to study it and predict it's path, but it is mindless, like a tseunami. the origin of logic is the laws of physics that produced order out of chaos.Everything, like tseunamis and smallpox is explainable when you realise that the laws are mindless, and we evolved from them.

[adstanra]

at the planck sphere ( 14 billion yrs ago), there was a universe with 0 order ( complete entropy). No information was present initially to start the process off. With expansion the laws of physics emerged and order ensued. This explains the formation of stars, gallaxies, planets, mountain ranges and everything that exists.Mindless laws working over time allgorythmically. billions of yrs later a sentient being is asking questions.Our brains recognise the consistency present in the universe.