Muhammad was no pedophile, he was just a dirty old man.

DawahFilms. The paper you cite on the ages of puberty over time is a Metastudy, and really is the presentation of a hypothesis, not a fact. The two who collaborated on the paper pulled their data from other studies, sometimes on other topics and came up with this hypothesis. Now, there are certain procedural concerns with Metastudies, and it has to do with the collection of data. Biases from studies on other subjects could skew the data, and so on. But we won't get into all that. Let's assume for this discussion that the datasets are largely unbiased.

So they drew upon data to form a hypothesis, and published the hypothesis. From here, their peers would pick up on this, and do their own research which would serve to confirm or deny the hypothesis. The paper was published five years ago. I could find no follow-up research anywhere. So you begin by basing your argument on basically an unsupported proposition, presenting it as a scientific certainty.

Really, what we find about the onset of puberty is that it is impacted severely by several factors, not just "evolution". For girls, body fat percentage seems to be one major trigger. Olympic athletes, and we see this most commonly in the gymnasts, often appear prepubescent even up to the age of 16. That's because they ARE prepubescent. These athletes don't go through puberty until they are done competition. This is because their training regimen simply doesn't allow for the accumulation of body fat that has been determined to be one of the triggers for puberty.

That's just one example of many factors that have been shown to affect the onset of the physical changes of puberty. We don't even have to touch the mental aspects for right now.

Hypotheses should be treated carefully. Ask Andrew Wakefield about that.

But that's it for the specifics. I feel you're giving the paper far too much weight to make it the basis of your argument.

Now a comment on the overarching argument in the video.

At the end of the day, you still have a story of a 50-plus year old man who had sex with a child, who muslim scholars a lot smarter than you have determined that in all likelihood she was prepubescent, and by anyone's standards - outside the Islamic nations - not fit for marriage or certainly the consummation of that marriage.

All the apologetics in the world, and redefinitions of words, and reimaginings of what's "acceptable", and reinterpretations of already accepted interpretations doesn't change the fact that Muhammedans view the "prophet" as the most perfect or Divine man who ever existed and that his example should be emulated, even today, which means his examples should be TIMELESS, they should be acceptable to ANY generation. They shouldn't REQUIRE these acrobatics of apologetics, and yet we find - and not only in this case - that these examples are not timeless (unless you live in the muslim world).

Now, if you want to go on claiming that Muhammed was the most perfect man who ever existed, and his examples should be observed, respected and emulated today, you're going to encounter opposition on this from the whole of the civilized world. Get used to it. We aren't going to accept kiddie rape just because you made a video trying to explain it away.

If you chose Islam, and yes, I know you chose Islam, to be part of a modern religion of peace and progression and tolerance, you made a poor choice, Ali.

But that's alright, we all make poor choices. The important thing is what you do when you realize you have made a poor choice.

DawahFilms' original video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcDSyruxyW4

The Klingschor / SnowWalkerOne Tag Team of Destruction:
Klingschor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IgzvqeuGzc
SnowWalkerOne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuhtI5WgdcA

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[xMK47]

SmilingSkeptic You f*** jelous kunt, you cant take it that Islam has more right facts than other religions.

Go to Hell!

[SmilingSkeptic]

@xMK47 I'm going to say, "No".

[aymani1970]

You stopped a the jew thing but the most important u don't even bother...that's sad

[SmilingSkeptic]

@aymani1970 ...huh? I'm not Jewish. I'm not religious. This discussion is about a particular aspect of the Quran. I don't care if every other religious text also promotes it, that's not part of this conversation. Your argument is thus a non sequitur and a nonpoint, and what's more, to try to enter that into the discussion is to admit that Islam is at least as bad as the other false religions. Argument insta-fail. ...like that response better?

[aymani1970]

@SmilingSkeptic

When a boy or a girl is ready to have children physically then mentally to she or he is ready... but What I ment is that other religion is from 3 years old but nobody says anything about it... the proble is that Islam is the new cool thing to slender it gets the people's attention...

[SmilingSkeptic]

@aymani1970 Do me a favour before you go any further in this. 1. Watch some of my other videos on this topic. 2. Re-read my post above. I still don't care about the point you were trying t make. Your argument is still an admission that Islam is equally as bad as all the other religions. Your argument still fails, and so does your religion.

[SmilingSkeptic]

@aymani1970 No, I am not Jewish. You're grasping at straws.

[SmilingSkeptic]

@MuhammadKothia I'm sorry, I don't know what a ******* is. You'll have to explain what you censored there. What about this video has convinced you that I'm racist? Instead of hurling stupid and baseless insults, how about starting a dialogue?

[RammatRamzi]

Mo was more than a dirty old man. He was Charles Mason with an army, if Hadith depictions of him are accurate.

[MrKimura00]

isLame is so full of fail that it hurts! Now one braindead islamodrone is using the old "blame it on the jews" argument. Will they use any more of their lame excuses? Stay tuned and find out.

[aymani1970]

@chinamanspeakenlis

Ur an idiot cause u believe the power of a humain (Doc) and forget THE ALL POWERFULL (God)...

[GrandmasterTigerfist]

Prophet of Islam was a disgrace to mankind