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13H Refutes CCHR: Industry of Cheese (1)

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When talking about the Citizens Commission for Human Rights it is nearly impossible to separate them from the Church of Scientology. Regardless of what claims this group may make, the tactics of the former mirror those of the latter.

L Ron Hubbard was a paranoid schizophrenic. This can be seen throughout his writings, which would later become the scriptures of the Church of Scientology. CCHR, whether they claim to be a separate entity or not, also embraces these twisted ideals.

While watching "Psychiatry: Industry of death" by the CCHR the fears of the founder of the cult could be seen reflected within the claims of this propaganda film. They present it as if were a legitimate documentary, however many of the facts have been changed, exaggerated, doctored, and in same cases invented.

It's time to challenge these claims, and display the exaggerated conspiracy theory at its core.. Which have been passed down by the beliefs held within the Church of Scientology through the words of L Ron Hubbard.

Each of their claims will be dealt with one at a time, in order. At the same time each of their paranoid conspiracy theories will be displayed as what they are, for the world to judge.

This is, of course, an attempt to set the mood. I admit it's a bold opening, and scary voice-over guy does a great job sounding official as well as ominous. However this is clearly part of the conspiracy theory at it's core. Psychiatry is a medical industry composed predominantly of small practices. There are those who work in hospitals, clinics, and government agencies.

It's not some vast evil corporation. There's no real hierarchy to it, however there are experts at the top of this field as with any other. Just like in the medical profession, most got into the field to help others, some joined for the money, and a few to satisfy their egos.

The prescription drug companies advertise everywhere, but what company doesn't? This is a topic which will be dealt with more later in the series. However, at this juncture it seems prudent to point out that companies offering promotions to advocate their product over that of another company is not a reflection upon the field of psychiatry.

Psychiatrists do not hypnotize patients.. That's hypnotherapy not psychology or psychiatry. L Ron Hubbard in the scriptures of scientology insists otherwise, in numerous display of his paranoid delusional states during which he wrote.

Then again he also insists any pain drugs a person takes induces a form of hypnosis - this includes drugs like aspirin and ibuprofen, not just heavy narcotics.

Unless you live within a psychiatric ward, psychiatry is clearly not represented in every aspect of your life.. even if you ARE a psychiatrist or psychologist. However I should note.. if you happen to be paranoid, delusional, and obsessed with psychiatry this could certainly seem to be the case.. However it would be just as real as aliens reading peoples brain-waves unless you wear a tinfoil hat.

Now, for their next claim.. And an examination of their statistical manipulation, as well as poor math skills.

But before we begin, it is worth mentioning that those within the Church of Scientology are well known for misrepresenting numerical statistics. They claim that there are well over 8 million Scientologists. However, under oath, in a court of law, one of their representatives grudgingly admitted that the calculated 8 million included every person who ever took a course, living or dead, since they were founded. This includes those who take their WISE business courses, Applied Scholastic courses, anyone who was ever at Narconon even if they were part of the roughly 85% which wash out of the program.

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  • @13Heathens I understand how easy it is to be misunderstood. So does Szasz. ;-)

  • @Mrscientificmethod That's part of the reason for the requirement. When putting together a video presentation it can be hard to get your point across. You think you're saying one thing and people conclude you're saying another. You make an omission for time (10 minutes when these we made) and you later find you've implied something you didn't intend to.. Part of the point is to get an appreciation for how easy it is to be misunderstood.

  • @Mrscientificmethod Now i know that these are only general rules, not hard and fast.. for example, I am diabetic.. he has ADHD. But just wondering why in some cases the disease 'is' the person and in others the person 'has' the illness. 'Metaphors we live by' by George Lakoff is a great book... do you know it? Do you have any thoughts about this view? Szasz is very conscious of the use of metaphor and so I plan to bring this into our debate. Bloody hard to make vids tho. I look so stupid!!!

  • 'L Ron Hubbard was a paranoid schizophrenic' It always is interesting to me the difference in language used to describe those that have a medical or psychiatric disease. Generally... in medical terms I 'have' a disease. I have cancer. I have had a heart attack. I have got flu. I have had measles... etc etc. So this, in metaphorical terms, is something we have experienced but no longer have. In psychiatric illness the disease defines the person. He was schizophrenic.. I am bi-polar. or depressed.

  • @Mrscientificmethod "you think these are all part of the Scion conspiracy?"

    *sigh* First off, Nope, alf wasn't blocked .. for that matter, at a glance the only blocked user I found was lostinthelandofflies (close enough) who I don't remember blocking.

    Back to the point; Stop jumping to conclusions. There are many legitimate criticisms of psychiatry. However, conspiracy BS deliberate mis-characterizations etc are not productive.

  • @Alf90100 And you banned this person??? Did you?? 

  • @13Heathens No. This is propoganda from your perspective. . This view of psychiatry is presented through Foucault, Szasz, Robert Whitaker, John Breeding, mindfreedom.. antipsyche.. Laing and Cooper, Leary and Hoffman.... I can go on and on. But you think these are all part of the Scion conspiracy? Do you really?

  • @Mrscientificmethod I've listened to about a dozen of his lectures, as well as several radio interviews. I have no desire to read one of his books.. On a side note, it does strike me as interesting that this conversation started the same day in which i told babyalex to fuck himself.

  • @Mrscientificmethod Have you? Since you are so against Szasz I would have expected to have read one by now. Which one have you read? I watched all of your vids......

  • @Mrscientificmethod "those that in your opinion ... were banned"

    Take another look at that statement, and evaluate what the implication is. Just taking a glance through the names on this page of comments .. I remember about about 5 names on the list. Each of those names are people who commented often on varied topics, and are/were long time subscribers. Others like Alf, for example, I don't remember at all even though it looks like I had a lengthy chat with them.

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