William Lane Craig vs. Paul Draper (Existence of God) Part 1

Arguing about the age-old question. Other Parts Will Be Added As Well As More Debates Surrounding Biblical Matters, Evolution, Christianity, etc.

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[simw7]

I agree kind of,..but when you use philosophy to describe what's behind the real world,..I mean as I asked you how do you know such place exist? how do you test that? sure science doesn't study what could be outside of the real world,..but even if you use philosophy how would you know,..wouldn't it just be simply speculation? if philosophy was able to actually find out what's beyond the real world, don't you think they'd find out about it already? in contrary science is actually doing the work

[KBrimstone]

@simw7 No. You see Philosophy governs science. That's why you have a philosophy of science not a science of philosophy. Science can give us new data but philosophy then tells us what to conclude from those new data, You put the data into premises and then draw conclusion. But what I mean when I say science depends on philosophy is that science assumes certain philosophical principles. Science can never correct philosophy becuase it assumes philosophy (meta physics, epistemology, logic etc)

[simw7]

..science and philosophy work together,.. in fact philosophy relies heavily on scientific finding don't you ever why even philosopher refer to scientific finding in the arguments? the reason why we have science is because we know that the way nature works is conterintuitive to the way we think, and so philosophy can't develop without science either. they need scientific founding to actually know what they're talking about. e.i age, size, cause of, human origins all scientific findings

[KBrimstone]

@simw7 No philosophy is not common sense. It's metaphysics, the canons of logic that govern all reason. You can't escape them and science is a slave to philosophy. It depends on philosophy to exist. The multiverse is a purely metaphysical postulation. We will never be able to observe them if they exist..

Surely you believe there are things outside of sciences domain.

[simw7]

beyond the physical world? how do we know such place exist? I mean and how would we know about such thing. using philosophy trying to talk about what we have no evidence for is really a waste of time. I mean philosophy is nothing but using human common sense and how we think about the world. I'd put my bet on science to actually find out if there's something beyond this universe.  science might invent a new machine that might prove multiple universe theory if they exist, or other dimensions

[KBrimstone]

@lukeism2 As for Origins of the Universe. Yeah I'd go to a scientist too. Up to tthe Big Bang. After that Well I'd got to the Phylosophers. Because science stops at nature all the scientist can do is tell you about the big bang. It's up to the Phylosopher using the rules of logic to explain beyond the physical world.

[KBrimstone]

@lukeism2. The. theist does believe in a personal God. The deisism is a form of of theism. The deist beleives in a personal God as well. Personal meaning a God who has personhood. But the deist doesn't believe God is active in history or is involved in his creation. Polyentheist beleives in an impersonal God. Like a force instead of a mind. I'm a monotheist more specifically a Christian Monotheist.

[lukeism2]

@KBrimstone hmm, i've just always thought that theist meant a belief in a personal god.. not the god that thomas jefferson believed in, the deist god is just as you explained it.. is this the god that you believe in?.

oh and u know my post was very snarky... i wouldn't really go to a theologian to find out about the origins of the universe, i'd rather lawrence krauss, stephen hawking or brian greene...

[KBrimstone]

@lukeism2 You believe a unprovable space wizard created the Universe? That's silly.

By the way a theist is anyone who believes the stament "God exist" is true.

That includes Deists. A deist believes God didn't intervene in history so that means I'm not a deist.

[KBrimstone]

@lukeism2 I can't because I don't believe a magic man did it. LOL

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