Missions That Changed The War- Germany's Last Ace | Premieres March 15th @ 9pm *

For more, visit http://military.discovery.com | Gunther Rall was one of the highest-scoring fighter aces in Germany. Hub Zemke was the commander of the 56th Fighter Group, the deadliest fighter outfit in the Eighth Air Force. They met in battle on May 12, 1944, a day that altered the course of WWII.

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[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener How can it be a fact if it never happened. There are so many other factors that affect the prediction that you are making, which of course you are not taking into account. Let us not forget that Hitler decided to help out the incompetent Mussolini which further deteriorated his troops, supply and mechs (1941). Also another reason why Hitler was able to kill so many in such a short time was because he had the chance, he basically conquered all Europe, Stalin never had the chance.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 well you have a very good point. im not, by any means, saying that stalin was any good, i am just saying that hitler is worse. and for me, even though for you it might just seem like speculations.

10M murdered in 2 years > 20M murdered in 25 years.

hitler would have obviously killed many more if he actually managed defeat the soviet union.

for you, its a specualion. for me, it's a fact. especially after seeing what was done to the jews

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener Starvation and lack of support? That could be the same excuse that Hitler could've used. There wasn't enough food to feed the Jews in the camps and resources to maintain them. That's the problem though, Russia was never explored or infiltrated by the Allies during the war so almost nothing is known about it other than biased sources from the inside. Germany on the other hand, got explored and everything hidden was revealed.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 why is that? well that's pretty well known, stalin killed off most of his high command during those so called "purifications" in 1937 (correct me if im wrong) so stalin, just 4 years before the war against germany had an unorginzed and unprepared army...

that's ok you are not bashing me, we are having an intelligent arguement.

stalin didn't exaclty do deliberate massacre, most people who died under his rule died from stravasion because of a lack of support. not active murder.

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener what are you talking about never did a deliberate massacre, of course he did. He killed millions of Russian who were against communism. Seriously man I'm not bashing on you or anything, but please read up from multiple books and sources, that way you could argue without making mistakes. Second, there is a fine line being deliberate and not really caring. As you may know Stalin had superior manpower against Hitler and yet he struggled against him. Why is that?

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 well we have two diffirent ways look at this.

you say that facts is what matters.

i say that a very possible future also matter.

in some way we are both right.

im just going to end the arguement with the facts that still, 10 million people killed in just 2 years. along side the 6 million jews, and countless others make hitler worse "quality" over quantity, i would somehow ironically say.

either way, stalin never did a deliberate massacre.

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener Ok, first Hitler never controlled Russia (USSR), only a small portion. Second, you are once again speculating, that fact is that Stalin killed more than Hitler. He could have, but he didn't. Again nobody cares whether he could have cause in the end, he didn't, Stalin did. Keep your predictions to yourself cause you, throughout this whole argument, can't prove anything with all your "if"s and "could"s. Facts are real, predictions are not.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 ok here is the proof: in hitler's mein kampf (sorry if i miss-spell) and the protocols of the nazi high command they clearly stated that the lands of russia will become a land for the germans and that all the russians who are to them 'inferior race' will either become obidient slaves or starve to death.

there you go. hitler might have survived as much as stalin but he was in control of russia for just 2 years.

if he ruled for more he would obviously murdred more.

[elchinolatino91]

@Yorsefener Technically*? You are changing the argument. Do not lose sight of what the argument is about, who killed more than who. Not who could've killed more. All you are doing is speculating which of course does not back your statement. Now unless you traveled to a parallel universe where Hitler survived the same amount of years as Stalin did and killed more, I would be more than happy to see the proof.

[Yorsefener]

@elchinolatino91 all i said was that stalin killed more russians simply because he was in control for much much longer than hitler.

hitler did more atrocoties in a span of just 2 years of occupation than stalin did in 10.

so technechly, hitler is by far worse than stalin. it's just he was defeated rather quickly unlike stalin