Wilber, Teilhard; exploring two different, yet similar philosophies.

Just taking a tour of the philosophies behind two evolutionary philosophers.

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• ken
• wilber
• teilhard
• de
• chardin
• integral
• spiral
• dynamics

[TheObnubilators]

what do you think is the best book br Teilhard to read?

[thepathlesspath]

Probably The Phenomenon of Man, or To Build the Earth. The former is very thorough and encompassing, but heavy in scientific and philosophical lingo. The latter is poetic and inspiring. I guess I just really enjoy both.

[alliant]

@AAnnuitCoeptis

he's an apologist for all of these evolutionary theorists.. I guess that's why we could consider Wilber more comprehensive. He's taking the scientific worldview into account (the exterior quadrants) as well as the consciousness-evolution theories. This gives us a more integral view of the terrain

[AAnnuitCoeptis]

Teilhard de Chardin wasn't doing what Wilber was... Chardin was born in 1881 and DISCOVERED the idea of the Noosphere...Wilbur is an apologist for Chardins idea. Let's be honest about this.

[MBlume1976]

Thanks for the well-done piece! I just embedded it into a post at my scilog "Biology of Religion" about evolutionary studies of religion, hoping that it might help people to discover fresh paths of inquiry.

[Spiratech]

This sounds like in theory with the 6 epochs [pronoucned epics] and also seem to be leading into transhumanism. yes no?

[hymnal777]

Wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, asking, "Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews? For we observed his star at its rising, and have come to pay him homage."... "In Bethlehem of Judea; for so it has been written by the prophet: ...They set out; and there, ahead of them, went the star that they had seen at its rising, until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw that the star had stopped, they were overwhelmed with joy.

Omega Point =Epiphany

[vinceism1]

@thepathlesspath

THis is great. Apparently we are reading the same stuff, my friend. I myself, am very thrilled about Wilber and Teilhard. Such thinkers usher a crucial point in history. I encourage those who watch this to read their works, however, to get a more detailed explanation. I commend your effective summary though. Thank you for posting. 

[Elexadora]

this was very well done until the end, where it was a bit vague as to whether 1) emptiness and God are just different ways of describing the same reality, or 2) whether they are equally possible but ultimately incompatible ways of describing the ultimate reality. One would like to affirm (1) as a way of brining east and west together in a kind of yin-yang way...it would be disappointing to find out that (2) is true and that one tradition is just plain wrong!

[kosmicloud]

i love the way u said emptiness and god could be the same thing .. because after all, both are just concepts .. the mind could never hold the unqualifiable .. including what we are evolving towards .. the greatest mystery .. well done, kid ! love dee

[MaBu888]

Definitely. I replied to phcou, hence my very weird tone.

[thepathlesspath]

Yeah, to re-affirm that point... Cartesian is not what integral is at all. In fact, a good philosopher to look at might be Jean Gebser, and what he says about that type of rationality (abilities and limitations).

[MaBu888]

phcou are you sprading conspiracy theories about us integrally oriented philosophers being in cahoots with the so called modern enlightenment? Modern enlightenment has had its days we say. It has stopped being of special value for many, and for good reasons. We are not at all cartesian.

[thepathlesspath]

There are times to be vague and times to be direct.

[MaBu888]

The natural differences that cause exotericism to be necessary are not quite that natural to begin with. Life condicions had demanded that humans bow down to authoritarian control, but now that education and technology have primary importance, at least in some parts of the world, a caste system makes no sense, because a caste system is not conducive to good living condicions in a society with technology and education.

[9macrina9]

thank you for this! and all this series!

[MaBu888]

I acknowledge the distinction, too, between the esoteric and the exoteric. That same distinction holds true in eastern civilization. This arises, in my view, due to the different life condicions and hence different value systems and respones to life condicions. A caste system seems not to be a viable answer to the problems of the world, of which there are many.

[phcou]

Socrates says " take this an an example of what i mean: everyone would surely say that if a man takes weapons from a friend when the latter is of sound character, and the friend demands them back when the man is mad, one shouldnt give back such things, and the man who gave them would not be just, and, moreover, one should not be willing to tell someone with this character the whole truth"

[MaBu888]

That was most clear. However, I already am aware of many perspectives that watch beyond theso called modern enlightenment. The way I see it, there is an inherent danger of pigeonholing all other people who are not you - the way you articulate your well founded negativity towards the modern enlightenment.

I think I recongize depth and beauty in your short stories that I am yet to comprehend.

[phcou]

My vagueness only reflects the pre-modern understanding of nature and the necessity for the esoteric/exoteric distinction. My shorts stories to you are written with this in mind

[phcou]

it is not knowledge of how to ranks one's duties in light of what reason tells us(hence the atheist polemics and your desire to let everyone know of the non-existence of Jesus is an example of lack of responsibility and differs from the pre-moderns in that while they too knew the non-existence of the gods, it was kept from the public because of its dangerous effects) but of realizing and actualizing the most salient right, the right to preserve oneself.

[phcou]

. This distinction between the many and the few is denied by the modern enlightenment, and the erasure of the distinction between the different natural types has had problematic results for our age. As the worldwide promulgation is a matter of "ignorance and not sin" the knowledge that was previously the possession of a few now becomes the knowledge of everyone. This knowledge that would rid us of our ignorance, is not knowledge as it was understood by the pre-moderns,

[phcou]

Ah yes! us moderns and our desire for clarity and precision. My emphasis on vagueness derives from the pre-enlightenment understanding of the differences between the natural capacities of humans, i.e., the difference between the philosophers and the non-philosophers and the necessity to communicate different things to different people (in light of their type of character). The natural differences among human beings makes exotericism necessary.

[MaBu888]

idork haz naild it.

[MaBu888]

Let me guess, phcou, the follow up, if there is going to be one, would be just as vague.