Take Home More God

You Can Become Jesus Christ, Yo Tambien, Not Just Hanging with the Cool Kids, If It's Just Feelings and Entrainment, We Have a Major Problem on Our Hands, With Humble and Christian Pride, and You Can't Share the Faith We Don't Have, among other things on this special edition highlighting just a few moments from the LCMS National Youth Gathering 2010.

The White Horse Inn video on "The State of the Church"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06y6ZXl57DY

An Interview with Mike Horton on Moralistic Therapeutic Deism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfnJ9lW8XxM

Drum Circles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_circle
http://www.blueskywaters.com/page_12.htm

And it makes money for somebody (which isn't bad, I guess):
http://www.lcms.org/pages/rpage.asp?NavID=17413

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Soul Searching
• Moralistic Therapeutic Deism
• Law and Gospel
• National Youth Gathering
• LCMS
• Worldview Everlasting
• White Horse Inn

[IIIJohnIV]

Yikes! While clearly such happened at the NYG, the presentation has led me to believe the good Rev was not in attendance as was I. I do enjoy most of your videos, but this one left me quite taken back. Where is the video of the other 7 6x4' wall boards with opposing comments handwritten on both sides? Where's the video of thousands of youth sitting through a Bible Study focusing on the Sacraments?

[Revfiskj]

@IIIJohnIV What a great verse! I had hoped to include video of the Pres. K preaching the clear Gospel, or the Te Deum from the Divine Service, however, the overabundance of "other stuff," turned it into a video on Moral Therapeutic Deism, rather than a video on the NYG. Defenders of the NYG have relied on post-modern "personal experience" as the true meter of discernment, but this only validates the point. I highly recommend you read Dr. Smith's work. This is bigger than the LCMS. +pax!+ :)

[SimplyTopher]

If this was so wrong, at what point did you pull your own youth out? I typically really enjoy your videos, but this one really bothers me. It appears, Pastor, that your God can't sustain His own church in spite of the sinners in it. On top of this, your clips are taken out context & you failed to mention the daily sectionals dedicated to theological education and Bible study. Because of this, I'm led to believe you didn't go to the NYG and have no right to judge it. If you did, where's the hope?

[Revfiskj]

@SimplyTopher I appreciate your feedback! I didnt attend this gathering but I spoke to many who did on both sides of the aisle. I disagree with your premises: 1. Clips are not out of context. 2. I am not questioning anything other than "teaching" 3. A daily sectional is included 4. The Holy Trinity can and does sustain his Church in spite of sinners. He does so with his pure Word which saves us.

[Revfiskj]

@SimplyTopher

The hope is in Jesus, risen from the dead for our justification. The hope is not in what we do. The hope is not in our experiences.

I understand that many disagree with the many who think the NYG is ineffective and perhaps harmful. Is the answer to be quiet and ignore it? Or is the answer to get a real, honest debate going?

I am not against youth gatherings. I am against moralistic therapeutic deism. Have your read the book? Can you judge my video until you do? ;)

[Revfiskj]

@SimplyTopher

I'm glad you usually enjoy the vids. Please continue to do so! Please also understand that I receive negative feedback about the videos you like as well, from those who say, "How can you say these things?"

Where is the proper line? Where is pure doctrine? These are good, hard questions. What scares me is that we're not asking them.

+peace to you!+

[3funkforme]

This looks like it could have been from the 1992 NYG that I attended also in New O. Sadly back then, I thought this was cool. Now, it makes me sick. Thanks be to God we have Higher Things for the youth. I pray that many of the kids at the NYG find teaching more like HT. Keep up the great work Pastor!

[moccothelocco]

did that lady actually say "with humble and Christian pride"? i may be crazy......but isn't that a paradox? isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins?

[aggierev]

Sadly such things did happen at NYG. When is Jerry going to learn to not let his wife speak at his public appearances? Being at NYG did make me realize how infected we have become with pop/baptist theology. I am going to smack the next person who says kids need to make their faith their own faith not their parents. At the same time, there was good stuff, "you are not the hero of your story, Jesus is the hero of your story"

[WyldKnyght]

I would just like to say that, despite whatever else may have gone on that was good and pure, the things highlighted in this video are exactly the kind of "feel good theology" that led me away from the Faith for many years, and nearly resulted in me losing the chance to properly instruct my children in the TRUTH while they were young. The National Youth Gathering should represent what the LCMS confesses. Quite literally, souls are at stake.

[home2good]

The state of our youth and what they believe is well beyond tragic and only God can fix it. God help us.

[MamaOnABudget]

@IIIJohnIV You said it yourself, sir... clearly such happened at the NYG. I'm glad that there were also good examples of true Lutheran theology there, but why were these at all? Even with all the good, why was such filth taught to our most impressionable members at all?