Derrick Jensen on Pacifism

From "Now This War has Two Sides"

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• derrick
• jensen
• riot
• revolution
• enviromentalism
• anarchism
• primitivism

[tonyfalca]

@bobjfs Just curious, but why didn't the Spanish Civil War kill socialism in Spain and prevent socialists from holding power again?

[funklemonde]

when i say that if you are violent then you become like the perpetrator,i mean for example,if someone abuses an animal and then you beat up that person,then YOU DO become like that person and that is not dumb.

[bobjfs]

@thenoorys You believe what you believe. No amount of argument will change that. For people, reality is perception filtered through belief. And I'm glad you decided what is and is not part of the Anarchist taxonomy. It's helpful to people who haven't actually DONE THE WORK. I have. It falls on my deaf ears.

[thenoorys]

@bobjfs Interesting. I don't have a B.A. in anything but I'll bet you 2 paypal'd dollars that your definitions are wrong. Anarchism translates to "without rulers". Government is a form of social organization, a horizontal classless government would be anarchist government. Socialism is critical to historical anarchism and it means worker owned means of production. What you're describing as socialism is social democracy and a welfare state. Anarcho-capitalism isn't an accepted in anarchism.

[bobjfs]

@thenoorys

Well, the way I learned it while getting my political science B.A., anarchism and socialism are two different things. Anarchism is the belief there should be no government. I realize that is an oversimplification. There are different degrees (anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-capitalism, et al). Socialism is the belief people should come together as government to provide some or all goods and services, and to administer commonly made laws and a social contract.

[thenoorys]

@bobjfs Huh? I'm confused, Anarchist were fighting for socialism, so are saying that the anarchists won? Because the capitalist/fascist won.

[Jatspage]

@navidsonpuzzle One, they are redundant statements (= same thing), and Two, they are opposing, yet simultaneously (= same time), creating duality. I believe. I realized it the second time through, this time.

[navidsonpuzzle]

Can somebody explain the "dualism = bad "non-dualism = good" symbolic point to me? Thanks!

[PizzaGuy1511]

@Anthraxsgaming O yeah the old ways, more fighting

[SageBlackthorn]

I remember something one of my teachers once told me. When you are attacked, if all you do is defend then you will loose. If you spend 100% of your energy defending, your attacker can spend 100% of their energy attacking. If you do nothing to stop their aggression, then they will simply keep attacking you. You have to make them want to no longer continue the fight. That is what Self Defense truly is, fighting back to stop the others aggression.