Romans 1 and I Corinthians 6

This video is about two passages of Bible that many Christians regard as complete prohibitions against all forms of homosexuality. They are Romans chapter 1 and 1 Corinthians Chapter 6. They are particularly important because they are found in the New Testament, as opposed to the Old. Lots of people tend to point to the Old Testament Mosaic law when they attack homosexuality, but as I hope I've made clear in the videos that I've made, Christians are not under the Old Testament law. If you are a Christian and you have any doubts about that, then ask yourself if you have ever eaten pork, because if you have done so, you have broken the Mosaic Law, and the Scriptures make it clear that if you offend in one point of the law then you have broken the entire law.

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[gaychristian]

Yes, I am married to my partner. For years we were married before God, even if we weren't "married" in the eyes of others. Now we are both.

Civil partnerships for homosexual couples became legal in the UK a few years ago.

[Thorsupremecommander]

are you married with your husband? you wrote few lines above that you slept with your partner. if you didn't get marry then in the light of what you've written here you're indulging sexual lust? I don't understand your point here

[gaychristian]

Again you referred to witchcraft, but this shows just how far apart we are. I don't even need to find a law in the OT or NT to teach me that witchcraft is wrong, anymore than I have to find a passage of scripture to teach me that smoking dope is wrong. Asking a Christian to defend witchraft is similar to asking a Christian to defend hindhism. They are different religions.

By the way, how do you know that smoking dope is wrong? It's not on your list. is it? Never mentioned in the OT or NT.

[gaychristian]

Where Paul is condemnatory about an action, he justifies that condemnation in NT terms.

For example, after Paul condemns the sin we see in I Corin6v9, do you see how that in the following verses he feels that he must explain the basis for this condemnation?

A Pharisee would have referred back to the OT, but this is no longer an option for Paul. Read the Chapter again, jsn9333, and see what I mean. Paul had taught freedom from the OT law. He needed to teach the NT principles that replaced it.

[gaychristian]

You and I come from very different perspectives jsn9333. You need a list of rules and regulations to justifiy or judge your life by, so you search the NT for a list of such commandments. You accept the the OT law is gone, but you still can't live without the list.

But the New Testament doesn't give you a list of commandments like the OT. Instead it gives you general principles, the greatest of which is love, and the Christian is "called to liberty" to fulfill them.

[gaychristian]

As I've said before jsn9333, I don't think that Paul used the Leviticus' prohibition against homosexuality. If he were to do something like this, he would be contradicting himself, because Paul was clearest of all the apostles that the Old Testament Law doesn't apply to Christians. That Christians are led by a new Law and New Covenant.

Why then would he go back to the OT law for support for his condemnation of any perceived sin? I don't think he ever felt he needed to this.

[jsn9333]

I said you justify *your form* of homosex intercourse because it was rare then. Witchcraft done only between a faithful couple was rare too, but you don't desire it so you don't justify it. Paul used Leviticus 18 and 20 words to condemn homosexual intercourse instead of common words because he was condemning the act itself, not the cultural circumstances. Witchcraft doesn't harm anyone obviously either, but we take God's words for it. Whether I do it only with my wife doesn't matter. It is sin

[gaychristian]

I know what you mean, jusitke07. I was brought up in one of those churches. Love and homosexuality simply didn't go together in my mind, until I learn't something different through my partner. Most Chritians simply don't understand us, or don't want to understand us.

And through demanding something that is unnecessary and impossible (a change in sexual orientation), like the Pharisees of Jesus time (Luke 11v52), they are hindering people from entering the kingdom of God.

[jusitke07]

Some churches in America are brainwashing that Homosexuals are incapable of LOVE and only lust. It seems to me that no matter what the facts of science and biblical history REALLY say about homosexuality, they'd still think that homosexuality is a choice and not innate. They might well be puzzled about a homosexual's reaction to the death of a partner. They might wonder if the surviving partner experiences actual grief, or merely an inconvenience while searching for a substitute. Think about it

[gaychristian]

I'm not asking you to understand homosexual orientation. It will seem unnatural to you - perhaps even make your skin creep. But that is because you are heterosexual. Of course you won't understand the way we are.

All I'm asking you to do is apply Paul's principle of the harm caused by actions to the relationship I have with my partner. What harm are we doing, and could our relationship actually be of benefit for us both?