RE- Universe doesn't have a self

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[shrodingersman]

if we are of the universe, then we must be making our own path through the multi-verse? The people we are aware of are real, I suppose when we talk of "others" (other human sentient beings) they are an approximation of a template being of that "other self" that we happen to cross paths with in this multi-verse. I suppose we may be seeing some reflection of ourselves when we interact with others, for we see our behaviour via reciprocity in others.

[Afterfauve007]

my take is, when trying to think on the level of "either ,or,of", we don't take into account the quantum level of universe, which we can only think about or unconsciously experience, Even when we sleep, we are still experiencing the universe as we are of it and of it's processes, the chemical evolutionary scientific processes, even on a quantum level as it shapes the perceivable universe, I also see the paradoxical as only counter to a common experience.

[musicallysmitten]

all mind stuff, nothing to do with beingness

[LyfeCentenz]

@spunkets You're falling victim to presuppositions about experience and basing your comment/question in that frame of reference. If you can loosen up on your assumptions you can look at experience in many ways. For instance the "body" (and everything else) is merely composed of a cluster of sensations... tactile, visual. And waking "consciousness" is the presence of sensual experience. Ergo body is consciousness and there is no body apart from conceptualization so only boundless consciousness is

[Contextcatcher]

The self exist only in language: it's a variable O. It's substitute depends on how we want to 'see' ourself: cultural, scientific etc. How we define ourself is temporally. But if..a theorist of physics find the code of the universe, is he (she) finding him (her) self? Is finding the total code including the self? T. McKenna said: everything, uni-verse, is code and made of language. A fundamental 'human all too human' projection. Substitute O? Head physics bites tail metaphysics: dog hunts god...

[spunkets]

The boundaries of consciousness go somewhere beyond the boundaries of the body? Prove it (you'll still had to have a body to make a video response).

And is the term, "ambiguous" the new, "relative," "deconstructionist," or "existential?"

[socrates856]

@wholethinker I think what I would recommend is an attempt at not forming to strong a judgment from short expositions by people, and cross-check if your interpretation is indeed the one that was intended. But yes if you do want to learn quantum mechanics I would recommend picking up a textbook on it or enrolling in a class.

[wholethinker]

@socrates856 You are making me a great compliment if you believe I can understand physics better than Hawking and some physics PHD student at quora. Well, I will try the best. Can you recommend something to read?

[socrates856]

@wholethinker Rather than using quora as source, I would suggest actually learning quantum mechanics and special relativity. Those two pieces you need to understand to have a grasp of the claims you are making. Adding some general relativity and quantum field theory doesn't hurt, but what really matters is understanding decoherence and the limits special relativity places on transport of quanta.

You may also want so swing by your reading of The Great Design by Hawing and Mlodinow ...

[wholethinker]

@socrates856 There is a site: quora dot com where you can find answer to the question:"If the wavefunction is defined for all x, does it mean that the probability density for a particle is greater than 0 even far away from its location".

Looks like a small part of me could be found everywhere, including the tea you are drinking. Also, if you have "The great design" by Hawking, there is exactly the same assertion made by a physicist.