Battery egg barn Feb 2010

Shows conditions in a typical, conventional egg-laying barn in Canada. These hens are still in good condition as they've just been put in the cages. By the end of a year of confinement most of their feathers will have been broken off, they will be covered in feces and have toes that have been torn off from becoming lodged in the wire cage bottoms.

Manitoba's Egg Producers have issued a media release stating that they will consider converting to "enriched cages" after 2018. Unfortunately, this means little to the hens who will remain confined to cages, only slightly larger. The nest boxes quickly become dirty and difficult to clean so are removed by the producers. See our website (www.cetfa.com) for more information.

CETFA continues to call for a complete ban on the use of cages. Only "free run" or "free range" systems allow the birds any quality of life.

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[longlivebillhicks]

@lizard987ify It's exactly this attitude that is destroying the world.

[IdaMiaDot]

@lizard987ify It's quite easy to create a healthy diet on plant foods, just like it is easy for all other great apes. Quinoa is almost a complete meat substitute, for example. It has all the essential amino acids.

In developed areas (US, Europe etc) vegetarians are no less healthy than meat eaters. There are even statistical health benefits to vegetarian diets, such as lower occurrences of heart/cardiovascular related diseases.

[lizard987ify]

@IdaMiaDot Im not trying to be discriminative, 'cuz that's absolutely not me, but some lower income people do not have time or the education to create the healthy diet an all or mostly plant diet needs. Careful consideration must be taken to achieve the proper number of amino acids ingested. The general public must be taken into consideration unless we want malnourishment to be our next epidemic. A lot of the world is already starving, and those are countries without meat in most of their diets.

[IdaMiaDot]

@lizard987ify Meat would become an expensive delicacy, but poorer income individuals could easily afford things like beans and rice as a substitute. There are lots of ways to obtain the necessary proteins.

[lizard987ify]

@IdaMiaDot ... And i believe fellow humans come before animals, 100% of the time.

[lizard987ify]

@IdaMiaDot It's cool, I wrote those things along time ago, and while I stand by what I said, I probably didn't convey the message the right way. Of course your right about a cow using more water than a stock of corn, but i guess it all goes down to respecting other peoples choices of food, after all this (where I'm at) is a free country. Unfortunately though, if the prices of meat were to rise, plenty of lower income citizens would not be able to afford food.

[IdaMiaDot]

@lizard987ify Apologises... based on my initial interpretation what you were claiming seemed quite outrageous. Sorry if I was abrasive. I am aware that small scale production of animal products can be more demanding than large scale. I meant in terms of water and resource consumption the livestock sector is less efficient than many of its crop alternatives.

In terms of economics; the price of meat, dairy etc should increase enormously as so intensive farming is not necessary for profit imo.

[lizard987ify]

@IdaMiaDot amount of feed for the same amount of meat is a huge waste of our rapidly depleting fossil fuels. As this isn't a science journal i should recommend that you look up and read the NRAES-132 (A poultry waste management handbook, google it) and "Poultry Science" 4th edition, by Scanes, Brant, and Ensminger (Its quite big so checking it out at a library is probably best). I hope you will then see that not all farmers are good and not all are bad, just like people.

[lizard987ify]

@IdaMiaDot As for the inefficiency, small-scale production actually increases that farms carbon footprint. Here's an example: A broiler will consume around 10 lbs of feed to grow to a typical live weight of 5 lbs, When increasing the stocking density of a house the amount of kcal burned is much larger, feed conversion suffers and much, much more feed is needed to produce the same 5 lb bird. To manufacture double, or even triple the 

[lizard987ify]

@IdaMiaDot I promise you I am doing research, I am a poultry science major. Many people see modern egg production as an abomination too, but I assure you not all farms act this way. Plenty farmers choose to be UEP certified, they must meet some pretty strict criteria to receive the UEP's "Humane Animal Husbandry" seal (I don't know what its called off the top of my head). A lot of farms targeted in videos like this are non-UEP certified farms.