KH Annual Manjugosha Debate Tournament 2008 - 1st Round

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Kechara House Annual Manjugosha Debate Tournament 2008 - 1st Round

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[tnoneclick]

It was a very good attempted to have this kind of debate in this centre and I would like to see more of this.

However, instead of having it annually, it will be better to conduct once or twice a month.

Moreover, after viewing this clip, I do hope that those debaters do their homework before engaging this debate.

It seems to me they don't know the dharma at all.

[Dungkar80]

Wow, the great jeanai monologue! He he. Well I like what Jeanai said about a real Lama. I heard that a real Lama will from day one work towards us becoming independent.

[jeanai1986]

Which is also another reason why we need to heed Rinpoche's teachings about checking out a person before you accept them as your guru. But then after checking them out and accepting them, you should accept them 100%...if you keep doubting forever, you'll never progress! It's like if you keep doubting your reading teacher forever, you never would've learnt how to read!

[jeanai1986]

After all, lamas are Buddhas manifested in the human form. Because the human form cannot last indefinitely, sadly, one day a student will have to practice and learn on their own :( so what kind of 'lama' is someone who makes you more dependent on him/her? How are they benefiting you if they tie your spiritual progress directly to their human lifespan? That means that person is not a real lama because they want to keep themselves surrounded by many students, to boost their own ego!

[jeanai1986]

Yeah most Kechara activites are student-run because Rinpoche encourages his students to start and run activites. He's actually said in the past that a good lama, a true lama, is one who tries to get rid of his students as soon as they take refuge! What he means is that as soon as a student takes refuge, a true lama will push his/her students to become independent in their learning and practice.

[jeanai1986]

When we become complacent, we become lazy. When we become lazy, we don't feel the need to question what we've learnt...and maybe then blind faith might develop, or we start to feel like we don't need to learn anything else. In any case, in a dharma debate, you always end up seeing topics from a different perspective.

[jeanai1986]

Yes, because in a worldly debate, it's all about winning and beating the other team. It's about making them feel stupid, showing how little they know, etc.

In a dharma debate, like you said triplegems118, it's about creating awareness and curing egos and arrogance. It's about everyone learning more, about testing our knowledge and understanding so we turn out to become better dharma practitioners. It's to prevent us from complacency, when we think we know everything or we know enough.

[jeanai1986]

Another verse refers to accepting the defeat and offering the victory to others. One of the 'themes' of that prayer is about giving up the ego and developing compassion...how can you practise bodhicitta if you still have ego? Rinpoche has given an incredible teaching on the Eight Verses - if you check out his channel, I think there's a series of 12 videos that you can watch to learn more :)

[jeanai1986]

Yep, you're right and that's precisely what Rinpoche always teaches. For example, Rinpoche has always placed great importance on the Eight Verses of Mind Transformation. In one of the Eight Verses, it reads "When someone whom I have benefited and in whom I have placed great trust hurts me very badly, I shall regard that person as my holy guru."

[jeanai1986]

yoshirolisette - KMP are doing more interactive events like that now. Today they held a book club in KL at Kechara Mystical Treasures (it's on Jalan Telawi 2 in Bangsar). They discussed "What's a Guru/why do I need one". If you're interested and would like to attend, sign up to their Twitter feed (KecharaKMP) to keep updated...I hear there are plans for more clubs like that in the future :)