Libertarianism without self-righteousness and natural rights bulldung

The Dak reflects on his own libertarian feelings, meshing error theory and desire utilitarian concepts, while explaining how natural rights is a bankrupt notion and how might makes right.

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• libertarian
• error
• theory
• nihilism
• desire
• utilitarianism
• morality
• ethics
• atheism
• anarchism
• freedom

[Chamelionroses]

In nature there are creatures that have territorial struggles and mating is also fought for. So it doesn't surprise me that humans have those desires.

I must have some libertarian tendencies. I wonder if that is affected by environment, experiences, and instincts. I mean how people interact socially if they are libertarian or other than. Respect is earned but I wonder then how come babies are given respect? Being born in the world is hard maybe the answer.

Thanks for the very nice video Dak.

[dakshinamurti]

It's a pleasure. Just one thought about something you said. I personally respect people from the get go, so I normally say that respect is lost, though not necessarily gained. I respect as my baseline behavior, and then, if people are not corresponding to my needs and values in such a way as to become a source of anger or pain (hurt, fear, frustration) I may drop that respect. But that's just me.

[auamoti]

might just makes. thank you dak, im so proud of you :p

i love sincere people, and that you are.

[dakshinamurti]

A heartfelt thank you. Your encouragement means a lot to me.

[dakshinamurti]

@recencyeffect Those are all very nice words. I am an ethical nihilist, of a non-cognitivist persuasion. I am also a fictionalist I guess. The fiction I chose for my normative ethics is a mix of libertarianism and desire utilitarianism (Alonzo Fyfe).

[recencyeffect]

I might be wrong though and libertarian values might be the best way to optimize fulfillment, I just don't think so. And yes, I also agree that many libertarians should show some more humility and learn that they are not as rational in their moral reasoning as they make themselves out to be.I also think it's time to stop looking at morality in a philosophical way and start looking at it from a psychological view, too many debates center around specific moral views with no grounding in reality.

[recencyeffect]

@recencyeffect

I used to be a libertarian, not anymore though as I thought more and more that minimizing the state and prioritizing every act that leads to "freedom" over others might not be optimal in fulfilling our desires. I could describe my position now as being somewhat utilitarian as I believe happiness is the product of the fulfillment of our desires, thus through maximizing happiness one can optimally fulfill desires.

[recencyeffect]

@recencyeffect

These assocations can be learned through experience, learned by being taught and most importantly: they can be wrong (when they are caused by chance, in which case they become irrational associations). I think this is the way human morality comes about.If it is true then we could act "rationally moral" by investigating which acts lead to optimized fulfilling of our desires. The problem here is to know what these "desires" are and how they can be measured.

[recencyeffect]

Desires and the need to fulfill them are the reason we act. Some actions we undertake lead to the fulfillment of these desires (for example: helping others can lead to them sharing food with you), these actions get a positive evaluation and this positive evaluation is in my opinion no different than a moral evaluation. People in this way view a moral act as an act that has been associated with the fulfillment of desires.

[Chamelionroses]

I do end up the same way. I think the thing is from that a survival behavior. I mean the way we choose to be around others.

[ModelAnarchist]

great vid dak