Wing Chun - Chi Sau

Yip Chun and Samuel Kwok doing Chi Sau. Clip from Original Wing Chun.

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Sports

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• Kung
• Fu
• Wing
• Chun
• Chi
• Sau
• Yip
• Ip
• Samuel
• Kwok

[thedjaney2]

a person who badmouths another martial artist knows nothing...

[chisaoboy]

@wnet8 You are so correct. What non WC practitioners don't understand about chi sao is that as soon as you bridge (make contact) you are forcing the non WC practitioner to play chi sao, a game he knows nothing about. And me must play if he intends to maintain any contact with you. This is a realization that you simply need to go through years of training to understand fully. 

[iApna]

@chisaoboy - Hence the issue with Wing Chun and the associated training. When we train, we train for all types of fighters, regardless of style, street, boxer, kicker, grappler, big or small. How do you fight a guy who ways 30lbs less than you assuming your 210lbs? They have never ending cardio. How about the opposite? How about someone that can break bats with his shin? How do condition for this and everything else. We train for the worst case scenario. Each to their own I guess.

[chisaoboy]

@iApna I hear you, but let's all remember that WC was developed for personal self defense on the street... not necessarily to fight trained professional fighters of any style. Chances are, the thug who wants your girlfriend isn't a top-ranked Thai boxer or MMA fighter. Comparing any fighting styles (which I sometimes have done) is sort of like saying the chess master can beat the checkers player. Two different games. In any event, all that's important for me is self defense against a street thug

[iApna]

@chisaoboy - Its easy to say, "close the gap". But one thing you must understand about fighters. We actually do prefer people try to walk in on us, whether be boxer or Thai boxer. Simply because our opponent will likely be walking into a fist and it requires less energy to chase someone down.

[iApna]

@chisaoboy - You are missing some additional elements to a boxers strategy. But I prefer to compare Muay-Thai due to my background. We train the entire body to act as part of our defense. We don't necessarily block every incoming strike especially if its aimed at the body. I have no problem getting kicked in the legs, or punched in the stomach/kicked in the stomach or chest in exchange for the opportunity to knock someone out cold with my hands.

[chisaoboy]

@iApna P.S. A skilled WC practitioner doesn't need just his opponent's arms. He can attack any area of the body. Please see my other reply.

[chisaoboy]

@iApna Very good reply--thank you. Allow me to add this: WC practitioners are trained to keep close distance. If the opponent retracts, a skilled WC man will always seek to close the gap. Aha! Now we get to the stage where we ask: "Who is the better martial artist? Will the boxer's training allow him to get away... or will the WC man's training allow him to stay close?" Isn't this where all these debates eventually lead, really? :-) All the best, my friend.

[Shuukyou]

@Yaknaw do you practice wing chun?

[Yaknaw]

Wing Chun is still a style with limitation, there's a reason Bruce Lee says be like water, adapt to every situation individually because sticking to a style only limits you.

[iApna]

@chisaoboy - Wing Chun practitioners have no chance in forcing Chi Sau on opponents that don't leave their arms out. Take for example boxers. The strike goes out fast, retracted even faster and the first strike is normally designed to setup subsequent strikes. Boxers want to keep their distance and use footwork as part of their defense strategy. To initiate Chi Sau, you would have to assume your opponent wants to fight in close combat. But thats not the case with Strikers.

[kanvrn]

Да, этому сифу приходится почти из последних сил противостоять своему ученику. Сколько и в вин чуне порочного.