Battim Reality Check : Thanksgiving 1637

not as you were told it was...

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a battim retread

"History is nothing but assisted and recorded memory. It might almost be said to be no science at all, if memory and faith in memory were not what science necessarily rest on. In order to sift evidence we must rely on some witness, and we must trust experience before we proceed to expand it. The line between what is known scientifically and what has to be assumed in order to support knowledge is impossible to draw. Memory itself is an internal rumour; and when to this hearsay within the mind we add the falsified echoes that reach us from others, we have but a shifting and unseizable basis to build upon. The picture we frame of the past changes continually and grows every day less similar to the original experience which it purports to describe. "

george santayana

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references:

Bradford, William, Of Plymouth Plantation, 1620-1647, originally
published in 1856 under the title History of Plymouth Plantation.
Introduction by Francis Murphy. New York: Random House, 1981.

William Loren Katz, Black Indians, A Hidden Heritage

Jackie Alan Giuliano "Give Thanks - Un-Turkey Truths"

Bradford, W. Governor William Bradford's Letter Book. Boston: Applewood, 2002 (1906).

1621: A New Look at Thanksgiving by Catherine O'Neil Grace

The Puritan Divines, 1620--1720

Axtell, James. The Invasion Within: The Contest for Culture in Colonial North America. New York: Oxford, 1985.

Cave, Alfred A. The Pequot War. Amherst: The University of Massachusetts Press, 1996.

Cronon, William. Changes in the Land: Indians, Colonists, and the Ecology of New England. New York: Hill and Wang, 1983.

The Indian Peoples of Eastern America: A Documentary History of the Sexes. Edited by James Axtell. New York: Oxford University Press, 1971.

Jennings, Francis. The Invasion of America. Chapel Hill: U. of N.C. Press, 1975.

Kupperman, Karen Ordahl. Settling with the Indians: The Meeting of English and Indian Cultures in America, 1580-1640. Totowa, 1980.

Karr, Ronald Dale. "'Why Should You Be So Furious?': The Violence of the Pequot War." Journal of American History (December, 1998).

Metcalf, P. Richard. "Who Should Rule at Home? Native American Politics and Indian-White Relations." Journal of American History, 61 (1974), pp. 651-665.

Nash, Gary. Red, White and Black. Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice Hall, 1982.

Touch the Earth. Edited by T. C. McLuhan. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1971.

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[andre1onate]

I really doubt those colonial people burned women and children....your a psycho bro. Sure they took over some land.....they actually had a feast with the natives.....the real bad part was when they took california from us Mexicans....that's what I'm saying!!

[battim]

@andre1onate hey. Moron. Look up salem witch trials. Burning folks to death was common back then. You mexicans? What you're saying is nonsense. Think californians want to cede back to the drug den that is mexcio?

[andre1onate]

@battim ..Yes little buddy, christians did burn people back then, people that worshiped the devil. Not innocent strange people like natives. I[m not denying that those people did use excesive force to get the land....and by the way, who are the morons that are buying all these drugs from us...Mexicans... lol

[battim]

@andre1onate might wanna read what the pilgrim called the natives. sons of satan. i am not buying a thing. still a violence infested drug den. clean up your own back yard before you whine.

[JustinLB82]

This video is a crock of sh*t as far as 1637 being the first thanksgiving is concerned. These events may have happened then but the first thanksgiving was a thanks to God for the little bit the Pilgrims had in 1621 after having gone through an epic journey. Whatever perversion of the event took place a decade ½ later had nothing to do with the 1st.

[battim]

@JustinLB82 watching to many peanits cartoons. Ihave academic sources...you have nothing to support your claims

[gritzschke]

Yet again Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnestota wants to stick it to the Native americans again, He can't balance the budget he screwed up by not taxing his rich buddies, So he wanted to Tax the shit out of the Native American casinos, Pawlenty is a real piece of crap, Remember that when he trys run for Pres in 2012

[Smartassawhip]

Oglala Sioux here out of Pine Ridge SD. Thank you for spreading the truth about the real meaning of Thanksgiving. While we are counting our blessings let us not forget to honor our fallen. Peace be with you.

[JustinLB82]

@battim Nope, only recorded history I guess. How logical is it to believe that the first pilgrims, who had next to nothing and barely survived the journey/first years here, would have even had the capacity to fight against the natives after travelling across the ocean to escape persecution themselves? Thanksgiving and the genocide/mistreatment of Native Americans are 2 completely separate topics/scenarios. Get real, gain some perspective.

[r1ngwyrm]

270 of the 360 people who killed this village were Native Americans. it happened in the context of war, in which the Pequot Indians aggressively participated.  It was wrong, but lets be real... Thanksgiving wasn't the white man celebrating genocide.

[subsamadhi]

@diakonoscelaeus cop outs aren't trying to justify anything. They are an excuse. Excuses don't work either. Let's use our own ugly history as a guide for the future. That's the way to go! More genocides! More war! More blood spilt! I can't wait! I am so glad to be a human being!

[diakonoscelaeus]

@subsamadhi It's not a cop out because I'm not trying to justify anything. What happened to Native Americans was awful. You were the one who called white americans monsters. I'm suggesting they're no more monsters than any other group with power in the history of the world. I agree that wars of conquest and massacres should not happen, yet our desire for that--if history is a reliable guide--will not make them stop, which is of course lamentable.