F-4 Dogfight kill on Mig 17 Vietnam

Dogfight kill on Mig 17 Vietnam

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• jet
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• 17
• Vietnam
• russian
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• vietnam

[Treblaine]

Call me crazy but I love the F4 even more than the F-teen series, it's just got that old school raw power about it

[stalkingalizee]

Those old GE engines smoke like a damn MiG-29.

[MokoMikoMako]

@stevenabb something like 80% of all visual contacts of enemy aircraft in Vietnam were made by backseaters.

[SuperGeronimo999]

@georgepatton93: Sure, Operation Bolo? Operation Rimon 20?

[MrVungocthang]

Aim 7 kill mig

[stevenabb]

If you ever talk to the crew chiefs of the F-4 , they all complain that aircraft had way way too many parts and was a nightmare to keep up. It required 35~40 hours of maintenance per flight hour and stuff broke all the time if the plane was not flown at least once a week. Great once it was in the air but, the repair time was stupidly silly... Losing two officers at a pop is why all fighters are now single seat planes.... Just my 2 cents.

[Waltham1892]

@georgepatton93

Combat is about knowing the strengths of your weapon and making the enemy fight your fight.

The F-4 did have unreliable BVR missiles, but the Mig-21 had none. The US advantage in IR missiles off set the Mig-21's gun advantage until the E model came out.

The F-4 also had a speed and T/W ratio advantage at low levels, where most combat took place.

While no one is ever going to call the F-4 a dogfighter, it never had a negative kill ratio vrs the Mig-21.

[georgepatton93]

@Waltham1892 im just saying that in the early years of the war the f4 is just not that good (depends too much on unreliable missiles techs) until the pilots have better training and the faults clear out

[Waltham1892]

@georgepatton93

And yet, the F-4 had a positive kill/loss ratio.

I guess the F-4 pilots lacked your profound insights.

[georgepatton93]

i dont know, f4 is an overrated aircraft. Its ability to dogfight was qutie poor compare to the mig 21 and it NVA pilots

[Zilzelik]

@0yeah1mFkU  Really, guys?

[B52Stratofortress1]

TO ALL TROLLS TROLLING OVER WHICH OF THESE 2 AIRCRAFT IS BETTER

put a US pilot in a MiG and put an NVA pilot in an F-4, the American wins. Crew training wins dogfights