Wind Madness

Country Guardian initiated the national campaign against industrial wind turbines
in 1991.
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• Windmills
• wind
• energy
• nuclear
• power
• music
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• protest

[tadswana]

Oh my god, the worst pseudo documentary I have ever seen! Random quotes copied off of the internet, and the worst music track ever... if this represents wind farm opposition, bring on wind farms!

[Miezimiezmiez]

I do not want to look every fuckin day at several windmills that even are the biggest in the world at that moment. They are destroying our landscape just for everyboy is seeing: Hey, they are green.

Windmills are the opposite of nature, they destroy it and disturb fauna and flora. It is just about the money they can make with windmills, not about nature. that's all. We have to change us, not our environment.

[Cowcharge]

In the US, did you know wind companies get $23 in subsidies/mw? Then the states give them 30%, so we end up paying for EVERYTHING, and with higher electricity rates to boot, all for a tiny bit of electricity we don't even need. It's the biggest scam since the Springfield Monorail.

[Cowcharge]

An utter waste of money with the only return being feeling "green".

[robz40]

@robz40 And it gets worse: 66MW of turbines cost about 66 million euros and let's assume unrealistically they last 20 years WITHOUT any maintenance and additional costs. How much nuclear fuel including waste management would they save? 20x165GWhx0.01/1000=33milion euros . There are better ways to spend that money on real services needed by the citizens.

[robz40]

@robz40 but a specific power real capacity of 0.5 or 1 or 2 or 3 W/sqm is in many ways academic because we STILL need to install and mantain Turbogas generation ready to be fired up when the wind isn't blowing. Therefore the money spent on wind power makes you save only fuel and not much of it as you cannot push wind power to more than 10-20% of the production needed. This alternative energy is NOT a real alternative, just a modest and expensive help.

[RoteKampfSocke]

@robz40

You can't compare the Wind situation in the us to the situation in europe, especially when the wind parks are located far away from the coasts.

The 20GWh per year i quoted earlier is generated by a precise model for one unit, including downtime. 220GWh / 9 mio m2 = 24,444 KWh/a/m2 = 66W/d/m2 = 2,72W/h .. thats almost 3x the value you originally quoted... and that is not a bad value since the land can still used as a food source for farm-animals.

[robz40]

@robz40 Let's do some maths with their estimates of 165GWh/(365x24hours)= 18MW

18MW/(3x3sqKm) = 2Watts/sq metre

not far from the typical 1W per sq metre stated before

My data source comes from case studies (what you get in real, experimented terms) of wind farms in the US.

[RoteKampfSocke]

@robz40

i am also talking about wind-farms or parks. You can fit 6 or more of the E126 (which is currently the world's biggest wind turbine) in a 2,5x2,5km space ...

Real Life example : A Windfarm in Estinnes,Belgium - 11 Units in a 3x3km Area.

Google it if you don't believe me.

[robz40]

@RoteKampfSocke we are not talking about a single wind turbine, instead a wind farm where the turbines have to be well apart from each other. Typically 30 times the square of the diameter of the rotating blades