How Did You Lose Your Religion?
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@SOAS007 What did Jesus do? He suggested for the first time that a person is responsible for his actions and has choices in matters. Before, everything was pre determined and the will of god/the gods.
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@DukeMcManhands My first question was about how you can account for knowing that based on that worldview. There is an evolutionary argument against naturalism, but it would take too long time to formulate it here.
In regards to #2. Are you saying that the extermination of the Jews by the Nazis in order to acheive their morally perceived end of developing a master race compared to the efforts to stop it is basically reduced to ice cream preference? Are there degrees?
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@SOAS007 He said that the reason He lived was to testify to the truth. Pretty hippy huh.
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@MrLevel42fan the obvious explanation for morality is from a sort of social evolution, where the mores that make a society more likely to survive are maintained in the society and spread to others. this yields no reason to believe in "absolute" right or wrong.
as for the other question, i don't believe there is any property inherent in the universe that would deem the actions of Nazi Germany "wrong" and the actions of the Allies "right"
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@DukeMcManhands 1. How can you account for knowing that there is no "absolute wrong" in a worldview of materialistic naturalism? 2. You believe in moral relativism? Were the allied forces right in stopping the advance of Nazi Germany, yet Nazi Germany was just as right from their perspective?
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@polishguy994 " If you don't believe me them search WUQMJR2BP1w " yup bart points out that there are different"portraits" of jesus.! " do we have any conteporary evidence" Bart .. no! My point proved.! He probably did exist because of the way gospel writers make mad thing fit, which would not be necessary if he was completely made up.
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@TEEBOxZIECON1 Apparently if you don't obey your god, your are tortured eternally, that doesn't sound like freedom to me.
"Walk by Faith, not sight" Now i'm starting to think you're a troll, are you honestly saying believe things without evidence just because your parents have told you they are true, and not due to evidence and reason? With that logic you may aswell still beleive in santa.
What are christian valuses. What did this Jesus character allegedly say that was so mindblowing. Cos he just sounds like any hippyfield chap:-) peace out.!
SOAS007 4 days ago 8
Just in terms of allocation of time resources,religion is not very efficient.theres a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning. Bill gates
MrTadbu 5 days ago 5