Man made god - Part 3 - the trolley problem and slavery

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[KittenKoder]

Well, slavery is very different between different societies and cultures. What we perceive as slavery now is nothing like the ancients did, who often got their slaves from conquered nations or were more accurately described as indentured servants. However the treatment of slaves varied a LOT between the different cultures even at one time, even if the mode of acquisition was the same. Even today the concept of slavery is different than 50 years ago, think "wage slave." Random 2 cents.

[FrankLightheart]

@aaugoaa I don't think the argument was that we only had slaves because of religion. It was certainly seen as acceptable behavior to own slaves, which is probably why people put it in the Bible.

The point is that when we began realizing that slavery was wrong, it was the religious folks that resisted the most. Their Bible is inflexible and so they opposed equality on a religious basis, while the rest of the nation was willing to amend and improve their moral standing.

[FrankLightheart]

@MrDeepwoodtickles Not when framed in the form of a math question, I suppose. In such a frame up the question becomes one or five.

But yeah, if you were actually in that situation it would be totally different. I'd never be able to bring myself to push someone else in the way or even jump and sacrifice myself. At which point I would have no other coarse but to shout frantically for them to get out of the way. By the same token, I wouldn't be ale to flip a switch to kill fewer men either.

[MrDeepwoodtickles]

@emancoy I would save the atheist, regardless of weather he was good or a killer, because i would not have to listen to the christians drivel afterwards.

[MrDeepwoodtickles]

@FrankLightheart Ok, i will stand by and watch this ,and film it for you tube.The urge to do something ,regardless of its effectiveness indicates a lack of inteligent thought.My own primary instinct would be to shout a warning,has anyone thought of that?

[MrDeepwoodtickles]

If you push the guy,its murder, or manslaughter at least, if the fools on the line are not following good safety guidelines , and employing a lookout, they are responsible for their own deaths, SIMPLE! Answer, you do nothing.Everyone is responsible for his own safety.Answer, beter 5 fools die of their own stupidity than a single innocent byestander dies.

[jackdeath]

@FrankLightheart Exactly!

[FrankLightheart]

The answer should be, don't push the guy if you want to stop the train. Instead throw yourself in front of it and sacrifice yourself.

[aaugoaa]

as far a slavery goes in the 1700 th 1800th hundreds most people accepted slavery as a form of labor. both the religious and the non-religious. i do not agree that slavery was commanded by God i think it was a political action by the ancient religious people who tried to justify it by saying God commanded it.

however every one of our ancestors are guilty of accepting slavery as a way of life. not just the religious.

[aaugoaa]

the trolley problem isn't that difficult. a moral decision is just what it is. if you make a decision to kill one person to save others then you made a moral decision and action to kill someone. the trolley would have killed those people without any action from you. i don't think it is true that most people would sacrifice the one person to save many. most people would feel a sense that they were powerless in this situation or desperately look for another course of action.