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Grokking and Wanking
http://youdoubled.com/watch_video.php?v=OKY8RNMR6XXK

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[LucidPhilosophy]

do you put your understandings in to use other than teaching others?

[conferencereport]

@LucidPhilosophy I'm open to suggestions

[conferencereport]

@SkidRowRadio I think you could do it but it would leave out lots of the things we feel are most important in human conversation; personal responsibility for one's actions, the differences in value that people give to the same experience, imagining for the future based on unique experiences from individual pasts.

[synchronium24]

@polymath7 confusions/contentions, but i figured 20 minutes was pushing it. Also, I realize hearing stupid arguments regurgitated can make you want to dispense with the whole lot of thick-skulled dissidents. However, it might behoove you to show a little more interest to opposing views for those who have a less patience than i do. "I'll listen to a small portion of your arguments, and even then only if you meet preconditions x, y, z" doesn't exactly promote cooperation from the other end. (4)

[synchronium24]

@polymath7 quantum indeterminacy, and admits explicitly is an empirical question open to refutation. However, even though these choices are 'random,' he does not believe them to be arbitrary. They both form the will and are expressions of it, leading to 'Ultimate Responsibility (UR)' for our actions. I think that last point needs further explanation, but it's a start. There's an 82 minute video on that same channel in which he goes into much more detail to try to clear up (3)

[synchronium24]

@polymath7 for using quantum indeterminacy (yes, quantum indeterminacy--hold your horses!, he's not going woo-woo on your ass). The basic idea is that we don't need to have free will for all events, but only for formative events. During these formative events, we not only perform an action, but settle the tensions of competing desires to determine our longterm priorities of the desires. He attributes the tensions we feel to parallel processing in the brain, which he surmises could involve (2)

[synchronium24]

@polymath7 Well, if you think ontic indeterminism is 'not a concept at all,' then there's little hope of you agreeing with anything in the video, but i'll try to elucidate the main points as best I can. On a side note, I was surprised to find that I found the arguments for libertarianism in the video more compelling than I ever have for compatiblism, for which i still don't have a satisfying definition, let alone account. Robert Kane argues that freedom of action AND will can be accounted (1)

[polymath7]

@synchronium24 Rather than my watching the video, could you paraphrase any ideas you think I might not already have heard and considered many, many times?

To my mind asking, "Can libertarian free will be made consistent with modern science?" is like asking, "What happens if you melt the number seven?". It's just a meaningless question. "Libertarian free will" is not only semantically redundant, it also, much like ontic indeterminism, is literally not a concept at all.

[synchronium24]

@polymath7 "Free will is not a complex or difficult or unresolved problem, at all. It's just not worthy of discussion."

While I'm inclined to agree with you, take a looky here at this video: "Can Libertarian Free Will Be Made Consistent With Modern Science?" Sorry, Youtube no like the linky thing.

[BTinHD]

@Sivels enlightenment philosophy went too far with the rationalism bit. Perhaps look at Behavioural economics and decision making for today or read about psychoanalysis in the context of the early 20th Century (I am not saying the two are related). They just emphasis the trouble we have with rationality and making sense of the world.

[Sivels]

@BTinHD uhm, why?

[vansibot]

Me too