Occupy Wall Street: Just the Beginning?

Occupy Wall Street began on Saturday, September 17th and it's still going. Hundreds of people have spent two nights in Zuccotti Park, which they got permission to occupy and sleep in and the area has been dubbed Liberty Plaza. But how long could this really last? Kevin Zeese, a core organizer of October2011.org weighs in.

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[buckeyemike81]

@riseingstardust Well, I do give Obama credit for that :) as much as I disagree with him, Bill Clinton had similar chances and didn't act.

The modern age came about because of capitalism, it's not a quirk that they are linked together. Capitalism enabled the innovation and resource gathering that wasn't possible under the previous thousands of years of centrally planned economies.

[riseingstardust]

@buckeyemike81 You really are blinded by arogance---an analogy would be to give credit to obama for killing bin laden---he just happened to be the president when that event took place---capitalism took place at a time in history when the modern age came into being and is trying to take credit for the betterment of mankind--that is BS---there is no current capitalism or socialism in the world each has parts of the other--research a resource based economy---it is the only way to go

[buckeyemike81]

@starmanskye All of those things have been most successful when directed by capitalism.

[starmanskye]

@buckeyemike81 -- Cripes, talk about self-deluded nonsense, YOU are a leading candidate to take the cake. 'Greatest force for good?" What about Science? Ot Hygeine? Or Medical Practice? Or Housing? Or Farming? Or Education? Or Trade? Or creation of Nation-States? Or Doctrine of Self-defense? Or Birth-Control?

Clearly, you're so wrapped-up in your own little world of self-indulgent hot-button sound-bite obsession that you can't be bothered with understanding ANY valid critiques of capitalism.

[buckeyemike81]

@TheDebtisslavery Your lack of economic understanding makes further argument with you foolish on my part. I'll leave you with this.

Capitalism is the greatest force for good mankind has discovered, where ever it is tried people are lifted from poverty and each successive generation lives in unimaginable luxury compared to the last. Conversely countries that abandon capitalism live in poverty, starvation, tyranny, and oppression.

[TheDebtisslavery]

@buckeyemike81 Tell you what the difference is, people who use capitalism get worked so hard and come from such a wealthy nation that fast food and restaurants are able to flourish, not able to flourish so much in places without it but that is because capitalism siphons money from everyone under them its like a pyramid scheme.

However the actions of those countries has given birth to 3rd world countries.

It's not some accident they are poor its by capitalist design.

[buckeyemike81]

@TheDebtisslavery Where do children die of starvation? Africa, North Korea, Central Asia, etc. Where do children not die of starvation? America, Canada, Europe, South Korea, Australia, etc. What's the difference? The places that use capitalism have problems with the poor being too fat, places that reject capitalism have starvation.

[TheDebtisslavery]

@buckeyemike81 it benefited them and yet we still have a child die every second from starvation on this planet.

To me it looks like the system only benefits a few and everyone thinks their actions have no consequence Capitalism buys countries by putting them in debt charging to much interest offering to buy that countries assets destabilizing the work force using cheap labor for personal gain.

I don't think that's acceptable, you seem to though because in your mind it seems perfectly justifiable

[buckeyemike81]

@TheDebtisslavery I have a computer science degree, this is just not how computers work. Computers simply execute orders, the way people think is entirely different from a computer. I think you've been reading too much science fiction in place of economics.

[TheDebtisslavery]

thought is a technical process.

its not magical your mind links ideas and information you know together.

a computer can do the same thing to within certain limitations but you don't need thought to know whats the shortest route from A-B. Efficiency is something a computer does know how to do.

Who would innovate humans would it would not be innovation for incentive of monetary gain but instead your own personal well being and everyone else on the planet if you have a good idea just do it.