Congressman Brian Baird: Rhetoric Of Protestors Reminiscent Of Tim McVeigh

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Paranoia or Perestroika?

On MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show, Congressman Brian Baird (D-WA) accuses those who are protesting government takeover of health care of employing rhetoric reminiscent of the likes of Tim McVeigh. Of course, Tim McVeigh murdered 268 innocent Americans in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and we would never want to confuse ordinary Americans with a mass murderer, would we?

Is Congressman Baird suggesting that according to his expert behavioral analysis, protestors at health care reform town halls are potential murderers? I believe we need more "expert" analysis like that of Congressman Baird's. He and Nancy Pelosi could compare notes.

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[apatriotofusa]

This jerk off is using the detontation INSIDE the Murrow Building in OK City (which has been PROVEN to have been perpetrated by THE FBI) to demonize government protestors. YES, the FBI blew up the building in OKC as part of the nationwide terror campaign to introduce Americans to domestic terrorism and set the stage for the advancement of the American Police State. The template was all set when the govt COMMITTED 9/11, and POOF! The Patriot Act appears. This facsist document was already written.

[Lodatzor]

That's why I say, again, with the way our system has come to be twisted, yuo CANNOT just reduce government. That's not the cause of the problem. That will just hand over control to those doing the twisting.

Reduce their ability to twist the tree, and the tree will start to grow straight again. There's not other way that will work. Government, as an entity, is not evil. It's what we've used to get all the freedoms we hold dear today.

We just need to get it working for US again.

[Lodatzor]

And now they have their claws in government, lobbying for greater reduction in regulation, more privatization, fewer taxes for the rich (placing the burden on everyone else)... the existence of government is not the root problem.

In fact it's the one thing standing in their freaking way. Remove that, and we have nothing left but what the rich tell us we have. What good is owning your own house, for example, when they own everything else around you.

Plutocracy is NOT a good thing.

[Lodatzor]

Yet they have considerable power over our lives. They set the price of your electricity, of your gas, of your car, of your heating, of your phone bill, of your TV bill, of your food costs, of your clothing... and also how much you get paid.

The only people who are less affected by this cycle are the self-employed -- a dying breed because of the myriad ways their giant competitors can run them out of business. All this has arisen the LESS we've regulated them.

Imagine no constraints at all!

[Lodatzor]

@abukamoon:

But only one of them can be voted in or out....

That's the singular genius of our system. The only constants are that which comprise the Constitution. Everything else is just legislation, and can be changed form generation to generation. It's supposed to be protection, because the only people who can make decisions are those who are elected.

As we've agreed, this system is being perverted by corporate interests. But we do not vote for those guys... they owe us nothing.

[abukamoon]

@Lodatzor Socialism is a dirty word just as Democracy is a dirty word, and for the same reason: It is the group against the individual. When you think of Democracy, think of a lynch mob. Or think of two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.  Socialism is the state against the individual, supposedly for the benefit of the individual. If we can't trust corporations, how can we trust government? Both are comprised of individuals. BBoth can used power for their own purposes.

[Lodatzor]

Hey, if you wanna keep on talking about this, do you feel like moving it to PM? 500 characters or less is getting kinda old, plus the new YouTube format makes it hard to find comments. ;)

[Lodatzor]

"We can't judge the culture of two hundred years ago by the way we see things today."

Quite right. We've achieved Progress. What works for us now is not what worked for them back in the old days.

And yet here we are, today, still deathly afraid of even the word socialism, even though that fear was stoked deliberately towards our military and industrial rivals, and has nothing to do with inherent good or evil.

Despite what Beck says, Progress is not a dirty word. It's what we've achieved.

[Lodatzor]

"There are millions of Americans today who aren't interested in voting. "

But at least they CAN.

"Two hundred years ago, women in general had no interest in voting. "

Probably because they were told that it is their job to just make babies and take care of the household. Once they effectively ran the country during the World Wars they realized how much more they wanted to be involved with the national decision-making.

[Lodatzor]

Think about it, man. When Stalin assumed control of the government which had been set up to facilitate the shift into workers' shard ownership, he effectively 'bought' everyone's property, without paying a penny.

The same threat is present in letting corporatism run unchecked, as those who own more can (and have proven they WILL) dictate the lives and choices of those who own less. That's not freedom, man.