Quick Answers to Calvinists Acts 13:48 - Jacques More

. . . as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48 is here explained by the context, the translation of the verb tassó, the arrangement of the words as found in the Greek and Luke's practise of 'hosoi - as many as' to show God is not viewed in this passage. It is the persons whose hearts were set to receive the good news that are in view.

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[IronsideNewell]

It was a good exegesis. But "ordained" (set or arrange) is in the passive in Greek. Not active. In other words, they were not doing the setting or arranging. Somebody outside of them is doing it.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi IronsideNewell,

Actually it is Middle and passive. And let's not forget "ésan" = THEY WERE precedes it: as many as THEY WERE set/arranged/determined 

[edwardpf123]

If there was an original LXX, it is not presently extant. The current LXX is a compilation of Origens Hexapla, which includes his revision of the LXX, along with the Greek renderings of Aquila, Symmachus, and Theodotion. See Ewert, pp. 105-110.(Fn.32)

Christ's use of Targums, Dean Burgon Society.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi Edward,

I am not advocating the LXX as inspired; just useful.

Origen was around 185254AD

The dead sea scrolls are of 150 BC to 70AD

LXX

Cave 4 Leviticus, dated 100 B.C. (the oldest extant manuscript of the LXX)

Cave 7 Exodus chapter 28. Other scrolls contain a copy of Numbers and 2 copies of Deuteronomy.

Etcetera

Then there are versions of books with varying closeness to either the Masoretic Hebrew text or the LXX

Remember these were discovered well after Burgon.

[ShownMercy]

@gracetruthguy.. What you can't explain is the word "pisteuo" (believed) is in the Aorist tense, and tasso in the perfect. The tenses of these two verbs squashes your argument. Theres no way around it.

But, people like you, the unstable and untaught, will continue to distort God's word to your own destruction.

[ShownMercy]

LOL! What a day of Judgment there will be for the wolves who construe God's word to fit their own wicked agenda.

[gracetruthguy]

Hi ShownMercy,

I agree that EPISTEUSAN is PISTEUÓ in the Aorist Active.

I fail to see the fact this meaning that the belief happened at one point in time helps your argument.

Luke is telling us they believed at that point of being told the good news.

But, why they believed is only because their hearts were already set to receive.

And that bacause THEY WERE set (Acts 13:48).

No implication is given as to the SETTER. from the tenses whatsoever.

[SpaceAboveSky]

@ShownMercy Isn't that impossible according to your beliefs? Or, we can't help BUT to do that right? Because we're rejected by God from eternity. So why complain from what He decreed?

[edwardpf123]

@madmax3789 -There are no BC references to any LXX in existance. The LXX we have today has nothing to do with any BC LXX. The Lord didn't refer to it, He made reference to the Hebrew OT when He noted the Hebrew order of Books, Torah, Prophets, Writings. The LXX doesn't have that order. See my videos on the subject.

[madmax3789]

@edwardpf123 Just because our earliest current manuscript is from the 3rd century AD does not mean the LXX was initially written then. There are other indications of its age, such as references in other literature, widespreadedness, and content, and scholars and historians have placed the writing of the LXX firmly hundreds of years before Christ.

[edwardpf123]

@madmax3789 -Actually, there is very little Mss evidence of a BC LXX (an entire OT in Greek).

There are only some scraps from the Torah, which were likely Targums, not from a BC LXX. The LXX used today is from the 3rd century AD, not BC, and is mostly the work of Origen and his Hexapla.

[madmax3789]

@edwardpf123 uh wut, the Septuagint was written in the 3rd century BC.

"The Septuagint (pronounced /ˈsɛptuː.ədʒɪnt/), or simply "LXX", referred to in critical works by the abbreviation ,[1] is the Koine Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, translated in stages between the 3rd and 2nd century BCE in Alexandria.[2] It was begun by the 3rd century BCE and completed before 132 BCE.[3" -Wikipedia

[edwardpf123]

@madmax3789 -Also, I agree with his conclusion that the word 'ordain' can mean 'arrange' since it is a synonym for 'prepared'. No need to run to the 'Greek'. The context of Acts 13:48 and the Webster's 1828 dictionary explain the meaning of 'ordain'.