Constructive Critisism of Zeitgeist

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[FractalInfinities]

I think that a good way for TVP to start small would be to get a few of those 3D printers for different materials. They are advanced enough now so that you can basically print any material, metals, plastics, wood or cellulose, etc. There are even scientists in Europe experimenting with printing functional organs from various tissues.

Many videos about 3d printing are to be found...

[gadzometer]

@FractalInfinities Hey Bro. Been busy with the kids.. I'll give you a buzz soon. I SOOOooo want one of those printers. The problem at the moment is resolution with them. Not to mention.. I have no idea what I would use it for.. I just want one. :P

The really good ones with good vertical res are really expensive but they will drop with price. The one that can build a house would be perfect. Resolution is not a problem on a large scale.

[hitssquad]

@Neanderthalcouzin "The calculation problem (look that up if you have some time), and how a non-price system as proposed by the RBE will deal with this. If you want my (partial) response to this problem, my latest video has some."

What's the name of it?

[stawmy]

Well, **** me, that wasn't very many characters!

Read Asimov for robot based ecosystems, & his excellent 'foundation' series if you want to understand humans:) BTW i build this stuff for a living, you design 'em, mate, & i'll build them.

Planned obsolescencs is big business, that's why Commodore had to go, Steve Jobs went over to the 'mad mac's' & the rest is history. PS my 20 year old Amiga can do things modern PC's can't ;) it can also run 4 hard drives & 2 CD burners LOL bootup=58 seconds!

[stawmy]

Hi mate, sorry i missed this one, good post.

Yes there are problems, but as Fresco pointed out, it would still be better than what we are heading for.

Problem is,people don't want to leave their comfort zone, they don't want anything to change right now, unless it is forced upon them......

I had similar ideas years ago, but could never quite get it all into words, Jaques Fresco did that for me. I still think an interim coin-based system will be needed until the new one kicks in :)

[Neanderthalcouzin]

@darrylsloan We are also more than able to be pretty vicious and violent, however we have a tendency to cynically say this is in our DNA, and that holding a baby and talking in funny exaggerated tones isnt. The idea of a fixed human nature is really smashed, particularly when we think about behavior. The point is that we have the potential for a huge diversity of behaviors, and lifestyles, and that the physical and social environment will alter this.

[Neanderthalcouzin]

@darrylsloan Your comment about the predator/prey aspect of life is also very broad: this doesnt mean members of your own species. The character limit is really restricting but there are several important factors missed in a view of *human nature* like yours: empathy, cooperative tendencies, pair bonding, parental nurturing, reciprocal altruism, being hyper-social, being *pro-social*, the fact that we are culturally dependent, influenced by environment, etc.

[Neanderthalcouzin]

@darrylsloan No Im not living with a highly romanticized view of animal life. In fact if anyone reads my responses below I would hope its actually sober and reasonable, not romantic. I also disagree that most people are doing this in the first place: most people are living with a *red in tooth and claw* caricature, which is true to some degree, but not entirely. Theres also a tendency to block *nature* into this single, homogenous thing.

[darrylsloan]

@Neanderthalcouzin I'll never convince you of this with an anecdote, but most people are living with a highly romanticised view of animal nature, that seeks to suppress the adversarial side of life (as evil) while over-emphasising the cooperative. Look at any animal species on any nature documentary, and you will see how both these principles carry evolution forward.

[Neanderthalcouzin]

@darrylsloan There are two slightly uncompromising views of nature: one is the Huxley/Spencer idea of red in tooth and claw, and the Kropotkin argument of innate altruism, etc. The truth is more in the middle, and the fact is that human behavior is hugely an environmental derivative.

[Neanderthalcouzin]

@darrylsloan Nature does not operate on a principle of fighting and red in tooth and claw: it operates on an unguided, non-preset selective process. Genes and conditions may code for aggression and ruthless cunning, and equally it may code for bonding, nurturing and cooperation.

[Neanderthalcouzin]

@darrylsloan Selfish genes can and do in fact code for unselfish behavior. We have the propensity for a whole spectrum of ways of living, behaviors and so on, and not only should any sane and scientific understanding of human behavior take this understanding into account, it should make room for our empathic tendencies.