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When a Toucan is a GNAT in disguise.

This 'far-side' Toucan road crossing has a serious problem. That is when it is activated by pedestrians who wish to cross the road it takes a seeming eternity to change back to allow road traffic...  
 
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citytransportinfo (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Earlier today I met some TfL people who were at an exhibition about installing traffic signals at the nearby Gants Hill roundabout.

What took me aback is that there was someone else there commenting on these lights at the same time that I was about to comment on them

No-one is suggesting that these lights should go - only that they should be made to work properly!

Simon
ps, I did not see them taking any notes - I hope that their listening to local people was more than just cosmetic.
downfader2 (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Hi there, a possible reason for the lights taking so long may in fact be down to the local inhabitants - if they are elderly there may have been some "sway" put in to allow them extra time to cross.

At the end of the day you have to remember the traffic is only being held up for seconds, not hours. If traffic flow was a real problem the local council would have considered a bridge imo.
citytransportinfo (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Hi There,

Thanks for your suggestions, but no.

These crossings already have a 'variable delay feature' which detects pedestrians who walk slowly and gives them extra time.

So its not this.

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citytransportinfo (1 year ago) Show Hide
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(Continued)

This road is controlled by TfL, who (under mayor Livingstone) were in favour of delaying traffic and even admitted to using traffic signals to do this. In Hendon they tried to remove an existing bridge over the North Circular Road so that people could cross the road 'at street level' but the local people successfully fought against this proposal.

Therefore the chances of them installing a bridge here are best regarded as 'zero'.

Simon
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Mind you, I can understand why they dont install bridges thesedays - the sheer expense being one, and little toerags lobbing off rocks at traffic being another.

Sounds like a review on the traffic flow is needed (perhaps one is already on the cards - these things take a while as theres never the staff to do it)

If TfL cant help you and other drivers need to contact the council directly - they'll probably just ignore one or two letters/emails though tbh. Good luck!
cig1705 (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Fair points about the failure of pedestrian detection and consequent delays to traffic. However, I think all such crossings should give pedestrian priority by changing quickly in their favour. This is unusual, as it is entrenched in conventional transport planning that pedestrians (and cyclists) have a lower value of time than motorists - in other words delaying them is less costly to society and the economy. Thankfully attitudes to walking and cycling are slowly changing.
citytransportinfo (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Thanks for your comments. I favour treating people equally...

It seems that at this crossing the lights only change quickly when there is slow moving traffic and if 'called' by a pedestrian towards the end of a previous cycle.

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citytransportinfo (1 year ago) Show Hide
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As a contrast the new Toucan crossing in Cranbrook Road (north of Gants Hill - near the library) takes forever & a day to change, which is equally inequitable. I used them last Sunday & found the wait was so long that most pedestrians were able to cross in a gap in the traffic before they changed, & then the 'auto-cancellation' feature was invoked so that they did not change at all. A lady who lives nearby said that she thought the lights were cosmetic, as she had never seen them actually work!
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Yeah, What i also realized the other day is there is a completely new set of lights put in, now im confused as to what ones these are. i think they have been there for a while now but i have only just noticed them.
citytransportinfo (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Toucans allow pedestrains and cyclists to cross - hence the name ('two-can' cross).

Puffins are just for pedestrains. There used to be a puffin crossing near the junction with The Drive and it always changed back within 3 seconds of the pedestrians having crossed the road. But these have been replaced with 'proper' road junction signals, which control traffic entering / leaving The Drive.

For the second time this year I've registered a fault with TfL (on their website).

Simon

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