Mandeville Canyon - Motorist/Cyclist Cooperation

League of American Bicyclists certified traffic cycling instructors demonstrate safe, legal and cooperative cycling and motoring on Mandeville Canyon Road in Los Angeles, CA. The video shows the challenges of the canyon road, as well as safe and legal cycling behavior, and cooperative motorist and cyclist behaviors. This video is intended to show cyclists and motorists how it looks when cyclists act and are treated as vehicle drivers on a 5 mile long, residential canyon street with narrow lanes. We hope that these cooperative behaviors will improve relations between cyclists and motorists using Mandeville Canyon Road.

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[TesterAnimal1]

With probably quite obvious video equipment on show. It has a huge effect on driver behaviour.

When they see it, they behave. When they don't see it, they don't give a flying about your life.

To believe otherwise is to just bend over for them.

[CyclistLorax]

- I don't think so. The video cameras are not easily visible from the rear, and we get the same treatment without cameras. But as I wrote before, if your belief system is out of touch with reality, far be it from me to persuade you otherwise. So where is your video data that demonstrates that your view is anything more than a fantasy?

[TesterAnimal1]

"Motorist waits"? Pretty unrealistic video I would say. "Motorist has a brain seizure at being delayed by a picosecond" would be my experience. Or "Motorist overtakes annyway while yelling and foaming at the mouth".

[CyclistLorax]

- Did you read the description and the earlier comments? This is as real as it gets. We shot this video in unstaged daytime traffic. To call it unrealistic is quite factually incorrect, and shows that you prefer to cling to your beliefs than accept video evidence of what cooperative driving looks like in the canyon.

[Gabbie Macy]

is cyclist view a download becz it's not on the app store for my iPhone or safari

[spatiotemporal]

ninababes1: if by "the good Doctor" you mean Christopher Thompson, then you are perhaps as angry and misguided as him.

[pedalpink]

Excellent video showing positive, cooperative, safe behaviors for both cyclists and motorists. I hope you'll be doing more of these. Thanks, and I'll use it in my LAB classes.

[CyclistLorax]

CA does not have any allowance for passing bicyclists by crossing double yellow, though the CHP does not enforce that law if the pass is made safely. The problem in Mandeville Canyon, is that there are a lot of impatient drivers who try to pass immediately, and this creates hazardous passing scenarios.

[CyclistLorax]

3) The lanes are too narrow for passing, with no turnouts or shoulder; the only time I can let motorists pass safely is at the stop sign stops. Since we are both stopped, there is no right hook danger at such low absolute speeds. Moving left at the stop sign is way off the mark, since I was already controlling the lane, so I could not move left (into the opposing lane). Moving right in this specific circumstance precludes long queues of motorists forming behind me for no good safety reason.

[CyclistLorax]

1) Risk trade. Drivers in the canyon tend to immediately pass, regardless of sight lines, so we elect to actively discourage/encourage passing when it is unsafe/safe.

2) On the downhill, it is sometimes easier to use the front brake and make a right arm stop signal. Meets the intent of the law while exploiting the stronger brake.