Re: How you Use 50 50 mix of H2O Gas with Our PICC

Can't beat unity, and I use crazy maths to prove it.

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[BigCJ1982]

You're basing all of this reasoning on claims made by a couple of bumpkins who used some HHO plans they found online. Do you really think they meant that they just mixed water and gas together?

Also, care to support your vague assertion that it takes "quite a bit" of electricity to produce "relatively small amounts" of HHO?

I'll bet you think nuclear reactors are overunity devices, too. You might want to ask your university for a refund on your degree.

[CodeMercenary]

To compute electricity requirement, first compute the number of free electrons in one mole of HHO:

((1+1+2)/3)N[A] * e = 128 kC/mol

Assuming 2A power source @ 3 Ohms:

E = 6V

P = 12W

t = 64s

So to create just one mole of HHO, you'd have to run a 6V power supply at 2A for a minute. Assuming perfect efficiency, 768J of energy would be stored in the generated HHO gas. This is what I mean by "quite a bit". I'm not going to bother responding to the nuclear power comment.

[BigCJ1982]

1) A mole of H2 releases roughly 240 kJ when burned.

2) No wonder you're turned around - still stuck in classical chemistry.  Bone up on your quantum mechanics, specifically, the application of electric fields to fluid & gas boundaries. The formula you presented above is heavily dumbed-down and not at all a true representation of molecular mechanics in e fields.

[CodeMercenary]

I thought my results seemed strange. Well, assuming your new figure of 240 kJ:

2A * 6V = 12W

240 kJ / 12W = 5.5h

And this is "a lot" of electricity.

"Quantum physics" is not a magical incantation you can invoke that will enable you to break the first law of thermodynamics. It is quite reliant on the conservation principle to work properly. Take a look at the schrodinger equation if you don't believe me.

[vb6josh]

thats a $2,400 rip off. i received a qoute from them, + i was told by an ASE instructor that the Feds is not allowing any modifications to the Catalic onverter..

Could you run any numbers on HHO created through electrolosys? How much energy it outputs?

[CodeMercenary]

Well, the energy output is guarenteed to be less than the input required to perform the electrolysis. It actually takes quite a bit of electricity to produce relatively small amounts of hydrogen and oxygen.

[axelerat3d]

have to continue - common HHO explanation is that it improves combustion. Combustion engines are only 30% efficient so surely improving combustion would help - right? Well nope - its not like the engines only burn 30$ of the fuel in the mixture. Combustion in modern engines is actually quite complete - the efficiency issues are else where. Waste heat in exhaust (pistons can only capture so much of the heat) conducted heat, friction etc. Changing flame characteristics can do only so much.

[axelerat3d]

the poster of the video is of course right. However the presentation is a little convoluted. Simply goes like this: internal combustion engine has efficiency around 30% - even if your engine created no waste heat at all you couldn't more than triple your mileage without reaching efficiency of over 100% (=impossible)..

[jrussellslack]

Hey, Einstein, you'd fit right in with the tired old codgers who tried to disprove LENR (aka 'cold fusion' to the pathologically skeptic).  They're the ones who've been disproven. Science is about making the observations then trying a theory that explains it, not nay-saying anything you don't understand as it doesn't fit your obsolete theories masquerading as 'laws.' There's a cool bunch of dudes that would love to sign you up: The Flat Earth Society.

[TommeyReed]

Its called steam.

Its not HHO!

1000 watts of power will produce 8.7 cu/ft in one hour.

1 watt will rise temperature 1 degree for each pound of water.

All of the so called HHO is really steam going into the engine.

20 amp at 12v= 240 watts or will rise the temperature of one pound of water 240 degrees.

They just don't know the truth!

They would be better to inject water into the engine, this would change into Gas laws.

This increase power output!

[LoneOarman]

The amount of electrical power that resides in our atmosphere is astounding. Herr Plauson found in his experiments that a single balloon sent aloft to a height of 300 yards gave a constant current at 400 volts of 1.8 amperes, or in 24 hours over 17-1/4 kilowatts! By using two balloons in connection with a special condenser battery, the power obtained was 81-1/2 kilowatts in 24 hours. The actual current delivered was 6.8 amperes at 500 volts.

[LoneOarman]

Many scams regarding this technology. There is a ytube video which shows that water expands 1800 times in mass when vaporized, when water bond is broken. Sure, you get a little hydrogen, but the major power boost is coming from the 1800x "steam" effect. Here's the video:

/watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI

[tomterahedrob]

isnt the point of HHO to get your gasoline burned more thoroughly?Ford says hydrogen supplementation gets 24% better fuel economy.I see it as like a stratified charge engine or a split fire spark plug on steroids.

[tomterahedrob]

read an old issue of Hot Rodding from 1984,the article is"Smokey Yunicks incredible Hot Air Engine"he gets 50mpg and 200hp by vaporizing the fuel air mixture ina Pontiac Fiero.

[tripperdan99]

interesting conversation and thank you for your work and calculations. The GEET modified engine does some interesting things, I'm sure the author may have already seen some stuff that MIT did in relation (though they'd never admit to it). Aside from the PICC, the other aspect of HHO causes feathers to get ruffled too. The issue is that traditionally Current is used. If you look at the work of Meyer, he didn't use much current at all (.25 amp?) to produce hydrogen. This still stumps people.

[chuckda]

those who insist this can't be done that way should not interupt those who are doing it.