Francis Chan's Legalism called out By Todd Friel (Mirror)

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[LifeByFilm]

He left his church because people came to see him, and not God. He became an idol to some people, and that is a problem. So, he left. There is nothing wrong with that.

[trident343lives]

@LifeByFilm Too bad Chan wasn't speaking something which would have put the focus on Christ and not himself.

[bec2viewthetube]

There is nothing ambivalent about Chan's faith, his teachings or his sample. His simplicity and humility move me every time I hear him. I am convicted by what he says, and more by what he does and how he lives. He doesn't attack, accuse or condemn others who do not do the things He feels that God is requiring of him. He doesn't speak condescendingly, as this guy does. He leads in love. Yes, as this guy says, Chan is one of a very small group. He is striving to go as deep as he can. Good for him.

[trident343lives]

@bec2viewthetube Guess you've never read anything from his book "Crazy Love". "As I see it, a lukewarm Christian is an oxymoron; there’s no such thing. To put it plainly, churchgoers who are “lukewarm” are not Christians. We will not see them in heaven.” (Crazy Love, Pg.83-84)

[email2hector]

Come on guys! Francis speaks at Christian Concerts and events where the majority of the people have grew up in Christian homes, Its totally appropriate for him to call them out and be more radical!!! But in his free online discipleship courses he focuses on loving God and loving your neighbors. In the course he mentions more mature radical christian actions, but they are not the focus. And your humor on him not returning your calls, aint cool especially under the light of Epesians 5:4.

[trident343lives]

@email2hector My fear is that Chan's actuall motivation is not a genuine willingness to serve God and love others, but that he fears he(as well as his former congregation) will go to hell if they don't work hard enough for Jesus. He basically admits that in his video "Lukewarm and Loving it" Which was a terrible and flawed understanding of Revelation 3.

[email2hector]

@trident343lives This message might not be for you if your not lukewarm. But its a good point to bring up and make sure we dont fall into. I think Francis is fearful out of love for those that are lukewarm. His intention is not to motivate people to earn their salvation or they will go to hell. Its more that people will love and rely more on their riches and strength than in God. God wants us to fully depend on him. You "MIGHT" need to check your own motives why u feel that.

[LifeByFilm]

@trident343lives Every single sermon he does he admits something he has done wrong. He makes me want to follow God like none other, not buy a book from Francis. He is always pointing to Christ. He is always pointing to the Holy Spirit. He is always pointing to God, and how great the creator is. -God bless you.

[MirageR5]

@trident343lives: I do wonder about that. I remember reading that. All I have to say is that he is not God. So, let's come to God in prayer and following his leading by the Spirit he gave us.

[bec2viewthetube]

@trident343lives Hi. Yes, I've read "Crazy Love". It was great. But I readily admit that a statement like the above could cause confusion when taken out of the context of the full message of what Chan is teaching. As is the case with practically every Christian writer that I know, and the Bible itself (including many of Jesus' most powerful lessons), often times things must be looked at in the context of the complete message and lesson that the teacher is trying to get across.

[paulbunyan2435]

@paulbunyan2435 "Some men are given"

[paulbunyan2435]

@trident343lives Todd hits it on the head! Amen! Some men are giving 5 talents, some 2, some 1. The question is, what are we doing with what God has given us? God does not expect who He has given 1 talent too, to do the same things that He has given 5 too. To each man as given to them by God. There is liberty and rest in Christ.

[email2hector]

@trident343lives One more reply because I think its import to clarify and distinguish... I can see your point. But I think that each person then need to search how their heart is towards the Lord. Francis is speaking to people who are lukewarm in the church, and is doing his best to let them see that. I can see if you aren't lukewarm this might look like legalism. But again he doesn't mention specific works, just "being on fire for the Lord." He speaks on grace too.