Lyn Jones was kicked out of Australia then the USAW. I respect jim schmitz and coach Burgener and gayle hatch but they have not produced any lifters competitive internationaly. We sent a full team of men and women to the worlds this year. Not one woman cleaned and jerk what the winners in their classes snatched! Many coaches have not taken the time to be mentored by a world class coach. I learned from Shin Ho Kang a coach who has produced olympic and World champs. The U.S is behind in technique.
I'm sure I agree with more of what you are asserting than not, however, would you say it is simply old technique that limits the U.S. or lack of support by America for the sport in general? Off the top of my head, there are competent coaches here like Lyn Jones, Jim Schmitz, Burgener, Garhammer, Hatch and Dragomir.
Most of those lifters you mentioned started the pull with hips fairly low. Abadjiev had most Bulgarians start with hips low. Technique has evolved and changed drastically the last 25 years. Why do you think the U.S does so poorly in international competition? Old technique.
Maybe we are debating semantics powmongo. A casual glance at Kolecki, Vanev, Dimas etc. shows this. And just because you don't find Kono's style acceptable or any of the old time greats like Vorobyev, Abadjiev, Alexiev, Redding or Rigert doesn't make their technique any less valid today!
Who said anything about starting with hips high? And as EyeofGeorgen answered sufficiently, his shoulders come above bar as he shifts his knees back to sweep the bar in. The bumper plates would not come off the floor and the first pull would not occur until a lifter has taken the slack out of the legs by raising the hips a bit.
Because that is how the best lifters in the world pull...with the hips low. I defy you to show me footage of a world class lifter with hips high. Many lifters now start the pull with shoulders behind the bar. With all respect to Mr. Kono, that style you refer to is quite old and outdated.
Wondering why the lifter starts with the hips so low! Also, the shoulders are not even slightly ahead of the bar. These are both fundamentals as taught by some of the greats like Tommy Kono!
Exactly how I would teach cleans (maybe I'd add a high hang clean after the power clean but thats about it)
Those sweeps as you call them are very underrated and the Polish national team loves that lift. The Russians call it pulls with torso leaning over. Really teaches you what your arms and lats should be doing in the pull by bringing bar into hips/thighs.
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plutonium93437 1 year ago
nice !!
MrRubenxx1 1 year ago
Lyn Jones was kicked out of Australia then the USAW. I respect jim schmitz and coach Burgener and gayle hatch but they have not produced any lifters competitive internationaly. We sent a full team of men and women to the worlds this year. Not one woman cleaned and jerk what the winners in their classes snatched! Many coaches have not taken the time to be mentored by a world class coach. I learned from Shin Ho Kang a coach who has produced olympic and World champs. The U.S is behind in technique.
powmongo 2 years ago
I'm sure I agree with more of what you are asserting than not, however, would you say it is simply old technique that limits the U.S. or lack of support by America for the sport in general? Off the top of my head, there are competent coaches here like Lyn Jones, Jim Schmitz, Burgener, Garhammer, Hatch and Dragomir.
CORPerformance 2 years ago
Most of those lifters you mentioned started the pull with hips fairly low. Abadjiev had most Bulgarians start with hips low. Technique has evolved and changed drastically the last 25 years. Why do you think the U.S does so poorly in international competition? Old technique.
powmongo 2 years ago
Maybe we are debating semantics powmongo. A casual glance at Kolecki, Vanev, Dimas etc. shows this. And just because you don't find Kono's style acceptable or any of the old time greats like Vorobyev, Abadjiev, Alexiev, Redding or Rigert doesn't make their technique any less valid today!
CORPerformance 2 years ago
Who said anything about starting with hips high? And as EyeofGeorgen answered sufficiently, his shoulders come above bar as he shifts his knees back to sweep the bar in. The bumper plates would not come off the floor and the first pull would not occur until a lifter has taken the slack out of the legs by raising the hips a bit.
CORPerformance 2 years ago
Because that is how the best lifters in the world pull...with the hips low. I defy you to show me footage of a world class lifter with hips high. Many lifters now start the pull with shoulders behind the bar. With all respect to Mr. Kono, that style you refer to is quite old and outdated.
powmongo 2 years ago
Wondering why the lifter starts with the hips so low! Also, the shoulders are not even slightly ahead of the bar. These are both fundamentals as taught by some of the greats like Tommy Kono!
CORPerformance 2 years ago
Exactly how I would teach cleans (maybe I'd add a high hang clean after the power clean but thats about it)
Those sweeps as you call them are very underrated and the Polish national team loves that lift. The Russians call it pulls with torso leaning over. Really teaches you what your arms and lats should be doing in the pull by bringing bar into hips/thighs.
crackyflipside 2 years ago