@3finker Sorry Empress I missed a word out of the last sentence, it should read "Living by the Golden Rule offers the only path out of spiritual darkness".
@EmpressOfWyoming58 No other group are instructed to become the light of the world are they? . That's why free thinking Christians are not bound by the book itself but by love, its our task to remind others of our duty toward those creatures who are unable to speak for themselves. Even ancient "pagans" identified the unnecessary exploitation of animals as the root of injustice and the cause of warfare among ourselves. Living by the Golden offers the only path out of spiritual darkness.
@3finker I am very familiar with the horrors attributed to God by some of the Bible. If something you read does not measure up to 1 John 4:8 and 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, it's likely got nothing to do with God, but more with people who wish to use fear to control. "God is love." "Love never fails."
@3finker Keep in mind that Christians aren't alone in being meat eaters or pet keepers of the keepers of domestic animals. Episcopalians tend to be the more forward thinking and thus not considered Christian by many other denominations. Sometimes it is the spirit of the law that is of more import than the letter of the law. Episcopalians are in large not fundamentalist in their approach to scripture or doctrine. We generally do not hold that the entire Bible is "all inspired."
@EmpressOfWyoming58 Your best being a free thinking christian, or people might think you are lunatic. I will tell you for why; if you are determined to believe that everything in the Bible which was approved by Emperor Constantine " a man who had some of his family murdered then your braver than me Gungadin. Try Deuteronomy 20:21-22 and you will find you are obliged to stone your child to death if he is a juvenile delinquent. Yep its hard believe everything in the Bible and stay sane.
@3finker I am not arguing whether we are designed to eat them or not. If you are going to quote the Bible, then be accurate. Do I agree with the Bible on animals? Or anything? Not always. I am a Universalist/Episcopalian. But, the Bible tells us that Jesus multiplied fish and loaves to feed many. And the Bible does give permission to eat animals and guidelines on diet and on animal rights. You need to read all of Genesis and the Mosaic law and then laws to Chrisitans on meat eating. Agree or not
@EmpressOfWyoming58 We are not designed to eat animals; doing so is a leading cause of cancer and heart disease in humans. Gods original purpose was freedom for all beings and respect for them is the most health promoting way of life. Its a fact the more we "reject" the statement that its OK to eat them the healthier we become. Jesus became the first animal liberator when freeing them from being sold in the Temple, and many other writings indicate that he and many Christians were vegetarian.
@3finker The situation is not to bless a perfect situation. The blessing is for animals. They deserve to be blessed just as we all deserve to be blessed. The church is made up of individuals. Your view of the place of animals is extreme. Not all share your view of domestication of animals. I doubt you know the official stance of any church on animals. You are making assumptions.
@3finker The situation is not to bless a perfect situation. The blessing is for animals. They deserve to be blessed just as we all deserve to be blessed. The church is made up of individuals. Your view of the place of animals is extreme. Not all share your view of domestication of animals.
@EmpressOfWyoming58 Like I said its no good blessing animals while they'r on a leash, a chain, in a battery cage or perched on your shoulder, what animalkind need is liberation and not being born into captivity. Ask yourself this; how long have animals been kept for human gratification? Millennia, how long have they been enslaved? Millenia, how long has the Church kept silent about factory farming? since its invention. Blessing pets useless; people of mercy should help liberate the enslaved.
@3finker Sorry Empress I missed a word out of the last sentence, it should read "Living by the Golden Rule offers the only path out of spiritual darkness".
3finker 11 months ago
@EmpressOfWyoming58 No other group are instructed to become the light of the world are they? . That's why free thinking Christians are not bound by the book itself but by love, its our task to remind others of our duty toward those creatures who are unable to speak for themselves. Even ancient "pagans" identified the unnecessary exploitation of animals as the root of injustice and the cause of warfare among ourselves. Living by the Golden offers the only path out of spiritual darkness.
3finker 11 months ago
@3finker I am very familiar with the horrors attributed to God by some of the Bible. If something you read does not measure up to 1 John 4:8 and 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, it's likely got nothing to do with God, but more with people who wish to use fear to control. "God is love." "Love never fails."
EmpressOfWyoming58 11 months ago
@3finker Keep in mind that Christians aren't alone in being meat eaters or pet keepers of the keepers of domestic animals. Episcopalians tend to be the more forward thinking and thus not considered Christian by many other denominations. Sometimes it is the spirit of the law that is of more import than the letter of the law. Episcopalians are in large not fundamentalist in their approach to scripture or doctrine. We generally do not hold that the entire Bible is "all inspired."
EmpressOfWyoming58 11 months ago
@EmpressOfWyoming58 Your best being a free thinking christian, or people might think you are lunatic. I will tell you for why; if you are determined to believe that everything in the Bible which was approved by Emperor Constantine " a man who had some of his family murdered then your braver than me Gungadin. Try Deuteronomy 20:21-22 and you will find you are obliged to stone your child to death if he is a juvenile delinquent. Yep its hard believe everything in the Bible and stay sane.
3finker 11 months ago
@3finker I am not arguing whether we are designed to eat them or not. If you are going to quote the Bible, then be accurate. Do I agree with the Bible on animals? Or anything? Not always. I am a Universalist/Episcopalian. But, the Bible tells us that Jesus multiplied fish and loaves to feed many. And the Bible does give permission to eat animals and guidelines on diet and on animal rights. You need to read all of Genesis and the Mosaic law and then laws to Chrisitans on meat eating. Agree or not
EmpressOfWyoming58 11 months ago
@EmpressOfWyoming58 We are not designed to eat animals; doing so is a leading cause of cancer and heart disease in humans. Gods original purpose was freedom for all beings and respect for them is the most health promoting way of life. Its a fact the more we "reject" the statement that its OK to eat them the healthier we become. Jesus became the first animal liberator when freeing them from being sold in the Temple, and many other writings indicate that he and many Christians were vegetarian.
3finker 11 months ago
@3finker The situation is not to bless a perfect situation. The blessing is for animals. They deserve to be blessed just as we all deserve to be blessed. The church is made up of individuals. Your view of the place of animals is extreme. Not all share your view of domestication of animals. I doubt you know the official stance of any church on animals. You are making assumptions.
EmpressOfWyoming58 11 months ago
@3finker The situation is not to bless a perfect situation. The blessing is for animals. They deserve to be blessed just as we all deserve to be blessed. The church is made up of individuals. Your view of the place of animals is extreme. Not all share your view of domestication of animals.
EmpressOfWyoming58 11 months ago
@EmpressOfWyoming58 Like I said its no good blessing animals while they'r on a leash, a chain, in a battery cage or perched on your shoulder, what animalkind need is liberation and not being born into captivity. Ask yourself this; how long have animals been kept for human gratification? Millennia, how long have they been enslaved? Millenia, how long has the Church kept silent about factory farming? since its invention. Blessing pets useless; people of mercy should help liberate the enslaved.
3finker 11 months ago