Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, Ilan Pappe - Part2

This is a lecture held by the Palestinian-Canadian Student Society (PCSS) at the University of Calgary in Winter 2008. The guest is the well-known Professor Ilan Pappe.
Ilan Pappe, born in Haifa in 1954 is currently a Chair in the Department of History, the University of Exeter and a co-director of the Exeter Center for Ethno-Political Studies. He was the academic head and founder of the Institute for Peace studies in Givat Haviva Israel (1992-2000) and the Chair of the Emil Touma Institute for Palestinian Studies in Haifa (2000-2008).

Pappe is both a professional historian and a human rights activist who believes that commitment and professionalism do not necessarily clash, but rather reinforce each other.

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[Dream23fb]

I'd have to check those out. Thx!

[nevskixx]

Are you familiar with the Bach violin partitas and sonatas. There are some wonderful versions of them on You Tube.

I remember hearing Maisky perform all the Suites in London one summer. It was a very hot summer and Maisky changed his shirt after each Suite. It was a memorable 2 evenings. I have also heard Tortelier, whose approach to these works was very different.

[Dream23fb]

Yea! I try to watch as many versions as I can. But I like Mischa Maisky the best.

[nevskixx]

Change the subject a mo. I see you enjoy Bach on the cello. Have you heard Pablo Casals play the suites?

[Dream23fb]

I hopefully will be around then. I'm 23. I'm young, but I'm well read and know the languages of the region (Arabic, Hebrew, French + others).

I disagree with your argument. The policies of Israel with regard to their neighbors is not about security, it's about the ideology of Zionism. More land for the Jewish state. Israel can have peace tomorrow if they want to. The only way there's a Palestinian state is when Israel decides that it is better for Zionism to have one. That will take time.

[nevskixx]

I'm off. Good night!

[nevskixx]

I agree with you for once about Arafat. But I give him more intelligence than you do. The 2nd Intifada erupted soon after negotiations broke down. It was seriously questionable as to whether he desired peace from the outset or camouflaged his intentions. But a liar he was and the last person who saw him in Paris was his accountant, which tells us a lot.

[nevskixx]

Jews from all over the world can. That's correct. And why do you think that is so?

[nevskixx]

There is plenty of criticism of Israeli policy without it being anti-zionist. I also support a 2 state solution and one of them is Israel. If there was one democratic state, the Arabs would never agree to it. The future of the world is not bright, never mind Zionism. How old are you Dream? I'll wait the 60 years and we can talk then.

[Dream23fb]

Israel, with respect with what they were legally entitled to, NOT what they wanted, did not make any concessions for peace. All the concessions came from the Palestinians. And even then, all they got was a stateless state in return. The plan was bogus.

I don't like Arafat btw, but for different reasons. He was not an intelligent leader, a terrible negotiator, and one who did not properly defend his people with courage.