Dave tate on Dead lifting conventional & sumo

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[Austin333]

Given that he trains with and helps some of the best powerlifters in the world, including multiple world record holders, maybe there's some hard work and knowledge involved?

A 935 squat, 740 deadlift, 610 bench press and 2205 total isn't crap either on a personal note. Blaming steroids because someone's better than you is a cop out.

[Austin333]

they're all stronger and bigger than you so....maybe they're onto something.

[noname91910]

Holy shit! They're listening to TOOL! I now respect Dave Tate that much more. xD

[thickpooxbox360]

TOOL \w/!!



[Ladscif]

@AbsoluteMonarchist Not only did more people start getting into lifting but they also started to learn about different styles of training technique and nutrition. Then some guys typically large framed men with naturally good lifting mechanics in terms of their bone structure and insertion points started dominating then they started using steroids and dominated even more. The strongest guys on steroids would likely still be the strongest guys without them in a completely natural world.

[ako541]

is this part of a dvd ? 

[Austin333]

@AbsoluteMonarchist Well you can't really compare an equipped lifter with an unequipped lifter and conclude the equipped lifter has taken steroids because he is stronger which is essentially what you did. The physiology and how steroids work is irrerevocably connected to the results they will have on a lift.

[AbsoluteMonarchist]

@Austin333 - It was Mark Rippetoe who said that the DL/Squat aren't helped by steroids. And I wasn't talking about equipped/unequipped, just the 'world record bench press'. I never mentioned anything that could be interpretted as being about the 'physiology and mechanisms hehind the performance enhancing benefits of steroids. Merely the results in relation to squat/DL.

[Austin333]

@AbsoluteMonarchist With the use of a bench shirt (which were only invented in 1983), the raw record is 715 lbs. The lack of knowledge you're displaying regarding the physiology and mechanisms behind the performance enhancing benefits of steroids is painful. 

[AbsoluteMonarchist]

@Austin333 - The world record bench press is 1075 lbs. Steroids don't do as much for DL/Squat as they do for bench press. The quads/hams/glutes will balloon/gain strength at an incredible rate if you squat/DL heavy so steroids aren't going to do much more for them.

[Austin333]

@AbsoluteMonarchist How many people have equalled Bob Peoples deadlift of over 700 lbs at 181 lbs? He also had a 510 squat and a 300 lb press (barely trained it). He set that deadlift in 1939, the first clinical trials on testosterone were in 1937 so I think we can safely assume he was natural. The world record bench is just over 700 lbs I believe. It was an exercise popularised in the 20th century, originating from the pullover and press so is by far the 'youngest' big 3 lift around.

[AbsoluteMonarchist]

@Austin333 - 'blaming steroids because someone's better than you is a cop out'

- Malarky. If you want to understand the difference between a steroid user's max strength vs natural see 'progression of the bench press world record': 1898 Georg Hackenschmidt bench presses 361 lbs (New World Record unbeaten for 18 years until Joe Nordquest presses 363 lbs - unbeaten for 35 years. Then suddenly from after the 50's dudes are benching 400,500,600,1000lbs+! - wonder what started happening then?