Gary Null 2011-0127 - Wakefield Vindicated
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Dr. Andrew Wakefield is not vindicated according the Wikipedia - maybe they need to update their non-neutral page. Here is the research that vindicated Dr. Wakefield: January 10, 2012, the American Society for Microbiology published, “Application of Novel PCR-Based Methods for Detection, Quantitation, and Phylogenetic Characterization of Sutterella Species in Intestinal Biopsy Samples from Children with Autism and Gastrointestinal Disturbances.”
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mjr simply lies again about 10 co-authors of Dr Wakefield's 1998 paper
They did not "pull their names from the paper". In their retraction they support the paper & it's conclusions stating "The main thrust... was the 1st description of an unexpected intestinal lesion in the children reported. Further evidence has been forthcoming in studies... to support & extend these findings"
The paper never claims MMR causes autism. That was a media mis-interpretation
mjr knows this & lies anyway
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mjr doesn't stop lying, supporting the drug industry, like LBRB does... without logic, honesty or integrity... everything to protect profits, even injuring or killing children
Here he claims Deer's lies have been exhaustively fact checked. I challenge him to list Deer's "facts" that were checked & by whom
mjr ignores the evidence supplied by HRSA (FDA's parent org) & Merck who both state vax are proved to cause or are associated with DOZENS of permanent neurological injuries, including death
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mjr continues his excuses. He has ZERO legitimate, sound studies based on true scientific method showing vaccines are safe & not associated with autism. His refusal to stand by 2 exposes him as a lying shill
FACTS-
Vaccines are temporally associated with autism, this cannot be disproved
MANY vaccines cause neurological, gastrointestinal & immunological damage. All could cause or contribute to damage leading to autism
No cause of our autism epidemic is as sound or as supported as vaccines
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@mjr256 I have a wonderful imagination?
I think certain writers for the NY Times can
outperform me and get paid for it. She had an
easy target in "Andy" & she blew it.
My point was no one is my Messiah in
this mess as I MADE CLEAR. I don't trust the
vaccine & vaccine/ autism argument ON EITHER SIDE.
They all have lawyers & I would never listen
to Wakefield's or yours for that matter.
BTW, has your name been mentioned?
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They didn't just pull their names from the paper but flat-out rejected Andy's work. & I think THEY make better authorities on THEIR positions than you. But you do have a wonderful imagination. And again, if you can prove even a single lie in Deer's piece, why not tell Andy before the statute of limitations on libel runs out so Deer's alleged lies can be exposed? Though it's not just one article but a decade of careful & well-fact-checked investigation by countless organizations.
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Ah yes, the old, "I'm not a conspiracy nut; I just insist sans evidence that the mountains of evidence against my beliefs is a giant lie & every relevant expert in the world is lying" gambit. It's far more plausible every reputable health org on Earth is wrong &/or lying than just you & a vocal minority of non-experts are. & sorry, but as the reluctant plaintiff against the big pharma conspiracy, the burden of proof is still yours. Demanding proof for your claims is not a counter-claim
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@mjr256 Buddy? As mentioned, ALL the actors are lying. Who is the bigger liar? If I was listed with Wakefield on research I would have my name removed purely for career self-preservation If you had read the Times article you might agree that there is more to his story that's positive just by the quality of the writing. That said, the article did convey that Wakefield is a self-serving crooked SOB. Among certain types in his field - not unusual. Among lawyers? In the media? It's expected
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@mjr256 - Ah yes the old fall back of 'science by consensus' with the conspiracy 'nut' derogatory and all because 'everybody who is anybody says so.' -- It must be true! -- But I think it more accurate to say we are counter-claiming... So which came first, the chicken or the egg...?...
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Studies... Most have been epidemiological in nature, the examination of LARGE data sets and are notoriously unable to identify 'specific' causes, period. For the laymen that means, if you want specifics, stop generalizing.
Profit streams, corporatism, access to public policy and the resulting conflicts of interest... research grants, funding, stipends, royalties, patent fees, advisory panels, marketing / promotions, manufacturing, litigation (gotta keep the lawyers sweet), money, money, money!
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