Police State Britain - Waiting in line at the Jobcentre

The Trappings of Repression - I argue that requiring jobcentre "customers" to wait in line is not only the consequence of an inefficient bureaucratic organisation, but also serves - rather conveniently for the jobcentre - to demoralize and humiliate claimants prior to their grilling at the hands of the Nazi desk clerks, sorry, "advisors".

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[geir44]

They are trying that here in Norway too. Messing with my head.

[skay48]

@geir44 What's the practice then in Norway? Does the state force you to work for your jobless benefits like in Germany and Holland? Do you have to sign-on every two weeks?

[geir44]

@skay48

Well, if you are on social welfare you can still get money no matter what, but that is rare. Usually they require you to hand in joblogs. On other types of benefits there is a constant pressure and it is growing. You have to register online every two weeks in most cases and the courses they send people to are almost like that one in the british comedy show "League of gentlemen"....

But it is ofcourse better here than in other countries since we have so much oil still.

[skay48]

@geir44 That's interesting. Do they force the unemployed to work for their benefits, though?

I liked my time in Norway when I was a fruit-picker in Hardangerfjörd (near Odda) - a bit isolated, though, like much of the country.

[skay48]

Well, you said it's, "Only a game...". I agree - but only up to a point, in the sense that this game is an awfully serious one for those on the receiving end of it. Although speaking quietly but firmly can bring respect, in my experience it is only applicable to a minority of "advisors" at the Jobcentre. With the backup of heavies, they know they can pretty much talk to you however they like, without fear of any comeback. By provoking a confrontation, they can "sanction" you - to boot.

[skay48]

Yes, I believe you're quite right about that: The goon squad at the door is not only there to deal with "unruly customers" but is a calculated tactic to intimidate jobcentre "customers" into minding their own business, not trying to link up with others, to not ask demanding questions (where they have every right), et.c. It reminds me of third-world states like Guatemala where factories are guarded by heavies and secret police in order to intimidate the workers into not speaking to the press.

[5LJ3A2]

Job centres are awful places.

[skay48]

Yes, you're quite right about the Jobcentre tricks only working if you buy into them mentally.

Thus, it is crucially important for claimants NOT to develop a victim's mentality. Instead, ways must be sought to deal with these civil service goons which foster solidarity between claimants and encourage disobedience to their dictats.

You're only a victim if you choose to be.

[geir44]

@skay48 Well, the law says that it is possible, but in real life it rarely happens. A lot of people end up on permanent disabillity after a long time as unemployed.

[Thegoldstarman]

@PuppetPerformance a night in the cell goes on your record so its not a good idea, ive made lots of complaints in writing ad i get alot more respect , but these advisors are useless and wont change

[Thegoldstarman]

@DackIsBack ha good idea another idea is to print hundreds of copies or jam the machine

[StarrZEE]

Whenever I walk in the Jobcentre there's defiantly that unwelcoming atmosphere. I really hate waiting-in line, its terrible - whenever I come in on-time the adviser often makes me wait for 20 to 40 minutes - they can clearly see me. Call me crazy but i think its a deliberate tactic to put you in a mental stressful state. They never apologize for the wait once they call you. I have worked for many retail stores in the past and If I was like a mystery shopper I would've graded them 1 / 10.

[Invesigator]

The 'advisors' at the Jobcentre are not such. They are the enemies of the poor claimant who are continuously looking for ways to stop their stingy 'benefits'. The UK papers have vilified the unemployed claimants and have diverted peoples attention away from the real oppressors. I don't believe this has so much to do with Thatcher or 2008 financial crisis. It is related to the psyche of the British people.Because even during New Labour unemployed people were badly looked after - if at all.

[fcuka4e]

This man talks a lot of sense. Fight the fuckers all you can.