Re: Healthcare, Let's Help Each Other

Response to FightingAtheist. UHC is NOT people helping each other; it's politicians helping themselves.

For information about mutual aid societies, see:

Beito, D., "From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State: Fraternal Societies and Social Services, 1890-1967," The American Journal of Sociology, 106(6):1834-1836, May, 2001

Glenn, B., "Understanding Mutual Benefit Societies, 1860-1960," Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law, 26(3):638-651, June 2001

Richman, S., "The Overlooked Solution for Health Care," http://fee.org/articles/tgif/solution-health-care/

Conrad, P., "The Sociology of Health and Illness," Worth Publishers, 2009, pp. 541-542

How Government Solved the Health Care Crisis: Medical Insurance that Worked — Until Government "Fixed" It http://www.libertariannation.org/a/f12l3.html

More reading: 10 Surprising Myths about American Health Care http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649

Since so many people are trying to say that the lower US life expectancy is due to our health care system: Preston, S. and Ho, J., "Low Life Expectancy in the United States: Is the Health Care System at Fault?" PSC Working Paper Series PSC 09-03. http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=psc_...

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[whatnameisavailablee]

If private healthcare is so good why does the WHO rank France as #1 and America at #37? I don't mean this to be snotty or rhetorical, but it is a serious question. I am curious. Would you claim that WHO rankings are false?

[shanedk]

@whatnameisavailablee Covered MANY times in the comments. Read through them.

[whatnameisavailablee]

@shanedk there are ~502 comments on this one page of at least 7 ... I'm not *that* curious especially since most of the comments are probably useless banter. I will just stick to my current belief. But thanks anyway.

[shanedk]

@whatnameisavailablee Not my fault if you don't want to learn...

[vspqbd]

@shanedk

He can't just do a Ctrl + F search?

[shanedk]

@vspqbd Of course he could. He just doesn't want to.

[TuxedoClam]

I have an aunt who lived in Germany for about five years, since her husband was in the military and stationed in Germany at the time. By her account, healthcare in Germany is much worse than it is here in the US; for example, every single patient was given the same priority by their clinics, regardless of whether they had a serious illness or injury, or just a case of the sniffles.

And yet, people insist that America needs to follow the rest of the western world off the proverbial cliff...

[shanedk]

@yourfullofsheite "lowest tax rates in 60 years" [citation needed]

"hmmm could there be a relationship between low taxes and suffering infrastructure?" Government spending on roads and schools is higher than it's ever been! You're just making shit up.

[yourfullofsheite]

@shanedk lowest tax rates in 60 years.....hmmm could there be a relationship between low taxes and suffering infrastructure?Because living in a society and having responsibilities to that society are wrong.Because the invisible hand cures all.Lowest tax rates and still no jobs.EPA terrible Idea ,why did we clean up the water supply?I mean you're taking money from the bottled water profits.If you lose your job and your healthcare runs out,you should die ..It's Darwins way.