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John Searle on Ludwig Wittgenstein: Section 3

I'm not sure why there is a skip at 5:30, I'll have to check the source video... Bryan Magee talks to John Searle about the legacy of Ludwig Wittgenstein; ranging from his early work, the Tractatu...  
 
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GodMarley666 (2 months ago) Show Hide
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This subject confuses me. Is just about the ascetics and the layout of sentences. It seems like making a subject out of trivial stuff
mjufpn (1 month ago) Show Hide
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What do you mean in ascetics and trvial?
silverskid (3 months ago) Show Hide
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Actually, the early Wittgenstein would not say sentences about beauty are nonsense in the pejorative sense of the term (logical positivists did). Rather, W. of Tractatus thought the truly important and profound issues in life had much to do with beauty, ethics, God. Problem was, he said, language is not capable of serving as a vehicle for the expression of these matters. Later on he broadened immensely his criteria for linguistic meaning. Contextual and pragmatic definitions allowed for this.
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(cont'd) The word sublime also has different meanings. Searle (5:11) uses it in what seems like the Kantian sense of boundlessnes. Some poets have used it to speak of horror and delight combined. Others use it to indicate majesty and beauty. What do "sublime" Cathedrals, the "sublime" experience of fear and awe in nature, and a "sublime" symphony all share? Is there an essence or rather resemblances and differences?
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exactly its the context. But I think I prefer the older Wittgenstein who probably just classify that scentence as nonesense. Thats the engineer in me :) But actually if you listen to politicians speak then you really want to analyse the mechanics of what they are saying. So from what I have heard so far I prefer Wittgenstein early works.
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I think Searle means to say that if we treat words as though they transcend contexts in which they are used (i.e. are sublime qua boundless), we get confused. W. might say we should look at ways in which, say, artists actually use "sublime" in cultural settings/ forms of life. We don't end up with a universal definition of "the sublime," but a sense of various possible uses of the term in light of resemblances and differences. Take "good" soldiers and "good" music. What do they share?
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Sarah Chang Bach's Air on G string, good music, sublime
ThePhilton88 (6 months ago) Show Hide
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But Witt.'s language games can contain the sublime, no?
kwalk30 (7 months ago) Show Hide
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he said accord..
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kewl dewdz

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