Toegoff's Views on Piracy - A Clearer Perspective

I'd be happy to have a real forum with anyone on my forums at
www.tiny.cc/toegoff - it's generally easier than trying to navigate a string of comments.

So here we are folks...my views on piracy, and why it's a problem. I expect this will be a very unpopular video, though I'll be interested to see what people say. The burden is on us to stop online piracy. Not companies. If we claim to love this gaming industry, let's show that we care about it. Not by pirating intellectual property we didn't earn, but by truly using piracy as a last resort, and not the first resort that so many of us do. I have certainly pirated in the past, and the more I think on it, the more I realize it's something that needs to be changed and if we don't want the government to control it, we need to stop up and control it ourselves.

I would implore you to watch the entire video before commenting :) Thank you. I guess it's time to see how unpopular these viewpoints are.

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[Toegoff]

@Tresskzilla Wait...HAVE to? We are talking video games here right? Entertainment...things that you do that your survival isn't based off of? If they can't afford it they can: wait until they've earned the money to buy it (and more than likely the price will go down on the game too). If we are talking stealing food to survive, that's a different moral argument. This is stealing intellectual property because you feel entitled to have something you don't deserve.

[Toegoff]

@Tresskzilla So you agree with me that you are little more than a spoiled brat who thinks he is entitled to whatever he wants because he simply wants it.

All I can hope is that one day you gain a bit of maturity and realize that everything has a price. Always fun to find someone who has the mindset of a 3 year old though :) You've been most entertaining

[Spandex08]

My view on this is - that for example - stealing bread - and stealing game - (sort of - getting a copy without paying). In my opinion they should not shut down pirate sites or warez forums. They can punish the individuals that offer the pirated software or the users who download it, but not shut down. Its like putting bread in locked cages so nobody can have access to steal it. No you don't lock it - leave it there if someone steals it - then punish them and enforce law.

[candoslayer]

maybee if we had less pirecy we would have lower prices too for pc games

[cvrc11]

Also: please, everyone, boycot EA and, possibly, BioWare for a while so they'll make a good DA game again.

[cvrc11]

I need to show this video to my uncle. I have been trying to tell him for YEARS now that pirating is just wrong, but he just won't listen. He's fairly well off, he's just MASSIVELY cheap.

[KuraiNanaya]

@FenrirTheDevourer I'd say if you actually bought it then yeah, that'd be fine

[FenrirTheDevourer]

So lets say that i brought a game (fable the lost chapter) back in 2007 or 2008 and over the course of the years one of the four disks got destroyed so later in 2011 i pirated it on Piratebay, you know so i could play it again.

Do you think this is alright.?

[Terwox11]

@Toegoff Oh and one more thing, about returning the game. Digital games you have no such rights. Same goes for physical copies off games. At least in my country. Although most shops that sells physical copies will, if you are polite and they care about their customers, allow you to swap a game you want to return for another product(s) off equal value.

[Terwox11]

@Toegoff Well, we just have to agree to disagree then. But quite frankly if you feel that the people unfortunate enough to have bought sword off the stars 2 on release for full retail price in its alpha state (which they did not know until they had already boought the game coz the publisher hid the fact) are not entitled to a game that works. Then I don't understand you at all.

[Toegoff]

@Terwox11 No you aren't 'entitled' to it. You'd like, but especially something as subjective as entertainment, you are not entitled to any price. You're entitled to QA in things like a car (Lemon Laws) or a Home...but certainly not a video game. If you don't like it, you return it...simple as that. Entertainment is too subjective. You are entitled to the price the vendor sets...nothing else.

[Terwox11]

@Toegoff Actually, you are entitled to the product being worth the price as a customer. There are several laws in several countries that explains that in greater detail than I can provide. Most notably in the form off quality assurance, which is exactly what I meant in this case. Lets take sword of the stars 2 as an example. The game came out at full retail price in a state more befitting an alpha build than a release. A game absolutely not worth the full retail price.