Anarcho-capitalists confuse the state and government. I attempt to unravel their confusion and illustrate how they do not oppose the state at all and are truly not anarchists.
@ltajambi lol fallacy: single-villain concept. Second, just because something came before something else, that makes it more legitimate? lol. Third, not everything given by the govt is handouts. You cannot argue with me on this because the underpinnings of libertarian theory are discredited and it is not hard for me to go on a rampage about the stupidity. Have a nice day :)
@Radetzky19 the level of tech does not change the laws of economics. The laws of economics are based on supply and demand. Private pharmaceutical companies existed before government medicine and there was no overall rise in cost until medicaid/medicare came along. Better Tech is developed by for-profit companies because of the incentive to make money. When govt artificially raises demand (by giving out handouts) the cost goes up b/c there is nothing to artificially increase supply.
@wafcake the only thing that needs to be done to end corporatism is stop the federal government from subsidizing big pharma companies. You magically think that the answer to a government caused problem is to have more government. Ya take away the profit motive for companies and enjoy a 0% advancement in medical technology. Let me guess have more govt. funded research (again govt caused the problem so make govt fix it)?
@ltajambi Healthcare was not more affordable back then cause you still had to have money! Costs are higher today because we actually got cures for things like cancer that did not exist in th e19th century and higher costs due to private pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies is what is making healthcare less affordable... YOUR ideals is what drives up the costs.
@ltajambi no it is not, more people are covered in countries with nationalized healthcare, that is a fact; I'm not surprised you do not recognize it because libertarianism is not based on facts, rather on it is based on a hypothetical environment, abstract theory within a framework. Then facts are "filled in" to fit the theory which is dishonest.
@wafcake As a libertarian, I say that what we have here in America is best described as being a fascist/banking oligarchy. The healthcare system is moving closer to corporatism especially with Obamacare.
@Radetzky19 Socialized medicine IS more affordable then medicine in corporatism. Capitalism has the most affordable healthcare. The problem is we haven't had capitalism for 100 years. A gold standard, and no corporate and no social welfare, in the 19th century and early 20th century had healthcare very affordable.
@AK49Gunner HAHAHA ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Why the fuck do people keep thinking america is SOCIALIST? Its not even close... western europe isnt even socialist, its more like democratic socialist. America spends the most on health care and we have a system in which people who cant afford health care, don't receive healthcare. Thats pretty fucked up. You support that and thats definitely not an example of the government being "of, by, and for the people"
You are a bald fucking dumbass.
ekeyra 1 day ago
@ltajambi lol fallacy: single-villain concept. Second, just because something came before something else, that makes it more legitimate? lol. Third, not everything given by the govt is handouts. You cannot argue with me on this because the underpinnings of libertarian theory are discredited and it is not hard for me to go on a rampage about the stupidity. Have a nice day :)
Radetzky19 1 day ago
@Radetzky19 the level of tech does not change the laws of economics. The laws of economics are based on supply and demand. Private pharmaceutical companies existed before government medicine and there was no overall rise in cost until medicaid/medicare came along. Better Tech is developed by for-profit companies because of the incentive to make money. When govt artificially raises demand (by giving out handouts) the cost goes up b/c there is nothing to artificially increase supply.
ltajambi 1 day ago
@wafcake the only thing that needs to be done to end corporatism is stop the federal government from subsidizing big pharma companies. You magically think that the answer to a government caused problem is to have more government. Ya take away the profit motive for companies and enjoy a 0% advancement in medical technology. Let me guess have more govt. funded research (again govt caused the problem so make govt fix it)?
ltajambi 1 day ago
@ltajambi Healthcare was not more affordable back then cause you still had to have money! Costs are higher today because we actually got cures for things like cancer that did not exist in th e19th century and higher costs due to private pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies is what is making healthcare less affordable... YOUR ideals is what drives up the costs.
Radetzky19 1 day ago
@ltajambi no it is not, more people are covered in countries with nationalized healthcare, that is a fact; I'm not surprised you do not recognize it because libertarianism is not based on facts, rather on it is based on a hypothetical environment, abstract theory within a framework. Then facts are "filled in" to fit the theory which is dishonest.
Radetzky19 1 day ago
@ltajambi well if you dont want corporatism one thing you would need to do is take health care out of the hands of for-profit companies
wafcake 1 day ago
@wafcake As a libertarian, I say that what we have here in America is best described as being a fascist/banking oligarchy. The healthcare system is moving closer to corporatism especially with Obamacare.
ltajambi 1 day ago
@Radetzky19 Socialized medicine IS more affordable then medicine in corporatism. Capitalism has the most affordable healthcare. The problem is we haven't had capitalism for 100 years. A gold standard, and no corporate and no social welfare, in the 19th century and early 20th century had healthcare very affordable.
ltajambi 1 day ago
@AK49Gunner HAHAHA ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Why the fuck do people keep thinking america is SOCIALIST? Its not even close... western europe isnt even socialist, its more like democratic socialist. America spends the most on health care and we have a system in which people who cant afford health care, don't receive healthcare. Thats pretty fucked up. You support that and thats definitely not an example of the government being "of, by, and for the people"
wafcake 2 days ago