Natural Dog Training Quantum Canine No Such Thing as Dominance Part 2

Kevin Behan and Trisha Selbach discuss dominance in dog training and Kevin Behan's "Immediate Moment" theory of social organization in wolf packs.

Category:

Pets & Animals

Tags:

• wovles
• immediate moment
• dominance
• submission
• alpha
• dog training
• emotional
• intelligence

[SeeleyL]

I agree. the GSD is insecure and on the defensive, so she can NOT be a leader. she is following the lab. the puppy like behavior is to reassure the insecure dog that"everything is ok follow me and my confidence" Dogs do not follow anyone or anything that is insecure. confidence is the key. whoever makes the other one move is the leader. whether its the lab getting her 2follow, or the wolf making the pray move. its the one that makes the other one move. its black and white there is no gray.

[quantumcanine]

@SeeleyL That's interesting reasoning. If there's no gray as you say, then how can the one showing "submission" be the leader? If there was a bone being contested between the two of them, which one do you predict will get to keep it?

[quantumcanine]

@bewarethewolf My study of dogs rejected the dominance paradigm decades before mainstream wolf researchers retreated from the concept, which they now have. A simple principle is that the object of attraction controls that which is attracted to it, IF it can sense its leverage. Therefore the prey controls the predator WHEN it senses its leverage and one can study cat to dog interactions to see this principle made plain.

[quantumcanine]

@bewarethewolf When any two dogs play, one acts as predator, the other acts like prey, and they flip roles vigorously the safer they feel. Playing provides the easiest way for one to see the principle even though in more subtle fashion it is always the template organizing animal behavior.

[quantumcanine]

@bewarethewolf If an "omega" but once keeps its possession from an "Alpha," (not to mention the great majority of times) then there is no such thing as a dominance hierarchy and therefore there is a need for another model that can consistently explain ALL social interactions between canines.

[bewarethewolf]

The prey controls the predator? Where is the logic in that? There is no relationship of control between predator and prey. It is about survival, and a battle for it. Any intelligent person can recognize that. That was so painful to watch. I really despise people who come to their own conclusions and preach it like it's the truth. Do as all a favour, Kevin, spend some time a wolf center and figure it the hell out.

[bewarethewolf]

Wow, this guy is oblivious. That lab licking the German Shepherd isn't "paralyzing" the dog. The lab IS showing submission and appeasement by licking at the muzzle. It drives me crazy that any clueless person can hop infront of a camera and spew this crap. This man knows NOTHING about canine behaviour. Acting "prey-like" it not a canine behaviour. If another animal acts "prey-like" to a PREDATOR, the predator would react as a predator! Predators are not paralyzed when faced with prey.

[bewarethewolf]

I hate when "professionals" provide misinformation. If an omega wolf snarled at an Alpha trying to claim something the omega has, the Alpha considers it a challenge and will assert his dominance. I have seen it happen in person at a wolf center. Also, "The Alpha wants everything first." is ridiculous. There is a great deal of control in wolf life. Alpha pairs control breeding, feeding, and hunting.

[PrometheansFire]

I suggest you learn about atomic theory before making such gross errors. Nothing you said was correct.

[bseanvt]

Atoms are held together by negative electrons 'attracted' to positive nucleus. A lot of 'energy' is held within an atom. It seems that energy is intimately linked with 'attraction'.

Is your problem with the theory really about semantics?