@chitchcott I already answered that. No, they are not truly violent. They are violent in the same way a storm can be said to be violent. It is a rhetorical use of analogy to true violence. It should be quite obvious that the defining feature of something being an act of aggression/violence is it being against the wishes of the victim. So nothing consensual should be called violent at least for the purpose of discussion on ethics.
I fight in the gym doing Martial Arts. true consensual suffering. You go through phases where for a period of time you're almost overwhelmed with the (undeniable?) fact that you are a true idiot. I mean a genuine fool, without question. At times like these, you go to the gym and get in a fight, and you usually win. It's strange how motivation works, but discipline definately overlaps with joy when you don't stop the practice.
Consensual suffering is not a complex issue. The suffering that Gary is talking about weighing in his ethical equation, is the non consensual suffering that you impose on other sentient life.
@chitchcott Stepping in boxing ring means you are asking for it. The opponent is just fulfilling your wishes. The same thing as going to the dentist, or riding a bike down a hill off-roads. If you are too stupid to understand the risks then it is an accident by stupidity not suffering by violence.
@chitchcott I already answered that. No, they are not truly violent. They are violent in the same way a storm can be said to be violent. It is a rhetorical use of analogy to true violence. It should be quite obvious that the defining feature of something being an act of aggression/violence is it being against the wishes of the victim. So nothing consensual should be called violent at least for the purpose of discussion on ethics.
esaman 1 year ago
I fight in the gym doing Martial Arts. true consensual suffering. You go through phases where for a period of time you're almost overwhelmed with the (undeniable?) fact that you are a true idiot. I mean a genuine fool, without question. At times like these, you go to the gym and get in a fight, and you usually win. It's strange how motivation works, but discipline definately overlaps with joy when you don't stop the practice.
kern0099 1 year ago
How far do you walk in a week. Doesn't your arm get sore holding that camera up?
Mjhavok 1 year ago
cool
changetheoscar 1 year ago
Consensual suffering is not a complex issue. The suffering that Gary is talking about weighing in his ethical equation, is the non consensual suffering that you impose on other sentient life.
br0kenmech 1 year ago
@TWITfromURANUS Spot on!
miguelbinha 1 year ago
@TheAnthrochocobo Thank you for your insightful comment. One does need to be reminded that there are those out there like you with a lot to say.
miguelbinha 1 year ago
carrying on living could be considered 'consensual suffering' to some...(?)
TWITfromURANUS 1 year ago
@esaman Sure, you're asking for it, which is why it's consensual. Are you saying boxing matches are not violent?
chitchcott 1 year ago
@chitchcott Stepping in boxing ring means you are asking for it. The opponent is just fulfilling your wishes. The same thing as going to the dentist, or riding a bike down a hill off-roads. If you are too stupid to understand the risks then it is an accident by stupidity not suffering by violence.
esaman 1 year ago