Kris Vallotton - God Rains on the Unrighteous

Kris shares about how, in the Old Covenant, people/cities/nations were treated according to their sin which explains why God sent judgment on people/cities/nations.

He goes on to say how, in the New Covenant, because of the cross, God gets to release mercy and grace on people who don't deserve it, which is why God is no longer judging people for sin until the Day of Judgment.

"sin requires judgment to release justice"
"God rains on righteous people AND unrighteous people"
"No longer are you judged by your works, but you're judged by His works"
"You can't stop the rain because people sin. You can't cause an earthquake because people sin. Why not? Because the cross."


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[Kingdonomics]

7.35 Kris is talking about god releasing mercy on non christians because of the cross. Basically saying that god creates justice through jesus on the cross, but that 10.00 'jesus didn't just die for christians, he died for the world'

what do you think chris is teaching here. universalism? well done with the editing by the way

[whizzpopping]

@Kingdonomics

No, he's teaching that grace is made available to all men. Which is true, that's how you came into the Kingdom in the first place, grace is made available to all, even sinners.

But like I said before in Ephesians 2:8, you are not saved by grace alone. You are saved by grace through faith.

[Kingdonomics]

I don't understand, is Kris saying god forgives everyone? Cos I don't think this is what the bible teaches

[whizzpopping]

@Kingdonomics

1 Jn 2:2, 2 Cor 5:19, Col 2:13, John 8:11

The price Christ paid for forgiveness is sufficient for all sin, past, present and future, that's how you can get saved 2,000 years after the cross. That does not mean everyone is saved. That is the grace that they have been extended, they only receive the benefits of it when appropriate it by faith (Eph 2:8).

People do not go to hell for their sins. They go to hell for rejecting the payment for their sins, that is, unbelief in Christ.

[Green333Giant]

Amazing. A clear portrayal of the New Covenant.  How delicious it is!!

[MrJesseeee7]

Everytime I hear this message I think by myself: 'How come it renews my mind even after hearing this for the fourth time?'. The old way of thinking just seems to sneak in to my mind.

[whizzpopping]

@twce

Sorry, I guess I was referring more to Lechteron's statement.

But yea. I get what you're saying. Valid.

[twce]

@whizzpopping Hmm, well, I didn't say anything about covenant (there are differing views on it), but what I did say was that Kris was trying to establish his point using a flawed reading of Matt 5:43. He selectively chose not to explain what Jesus was quoting in order to make his case sound stronger. It's just bad teaching mixed with some truths, and that's why it leaves people feeling like they agree with some of his conclusions, but not with how he got there.

[whizzpopping]

@twce

He didn't change character. It's an explicit change of covenants that results in a different expression of God's nature.

He says over and over, people in the old covenant are treated according to their own works (law). People in the new covenant are treated according to Christ's works (grace). That's John 1:17.

It's explicit in Hebrews 1:1-3 and Col 1:15. Jesus is perfect theology (John 14:9). He extends mercy and grace to the sinners. Hello? There was a drastic change.

[twce]

@Lechteron Your sense is right! Kris quotes "You have heard it that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy'" (Matt 5:43). But the footnote that immediately follows 'Love your enemy' shows it's from Lev. 19:18, which doesn't include 'and hate your enemy' at all. Jesus must've been addressing the teachers of the time for adding that (faulty) interpretation. But Kris is presenting it like it's exactly what God said, and uses that to pit the God of the OT against the God of the NT.