Get Expelled - PZ Meyers Movie Clip

I don't see the lack of absolute morality as a problem really. When it comes to a real world application of it, such as in law, we just depend on the morality of individuals, which is subjective. You don't need an objective moral standard in order for a society to deem something as morally wrong.

in the moral realm of things but in basically in any case where someone is trying to make sense of reality and the universe. It always leads to absurd dilemmas if you get me.

Vanmeter: No..we don't get you. Atheism says nothing of morality. It simply says that there is no evidence concerning any deities.

I'm talking about when one is trying to make sense of morality in the light of atheism. Your post is just stating nothing.

Vanmeter:

My point is: Why would atheism lead to "absurd dilemmas" when "trying to make sense of reality"? It does not TRY to make sense of things. It's just a viewpoint. It's a REJECTION of theistic viewpoints...which do TRY to make sense of things by baseless assertions. Which aren't really explanations at all. So what's more right: Making a claim that you know things when you really don't?...or just saying that you don't know?

Ok. When you reject theism as irrational, you then must rebuild and form your thought construct in the absence of any premise of a creator existing. At least if you are a person who tries to make sense of things. It is not as if you can trivialize the unbelief in the existence of a creator. The implications are massive, so massive in fact there is nothing that comes close. Not only in the way that you live and conduct yourself but your outlook on things in general.

"So what's more right: Making a claim that you know things when you really don't?....."

Believers are not absolutely certain of the existence of God... No one can claim that they know for certain but just saying you don't know is chicken, you either become convinced that God exists or that he doesn't. There is a reason that people call agnostics "atheists without guts." You also assume that theism is irrational and baseless which I think is wrong and immodest.

Vanmeter:
"When you reject theism as irrational, you then must rebuild and form your thought construct in the absence of any premise of a creator existing."
-Now you're getting it!!!

"You also assume that theism is irrational and baseless..."
-And there you have it, folks...Bingo!!!!

Congrats on stating absolutely nothing!... Good for you.

Thanks...I try.