In Allegiance

The video I'm responding to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COgfEIKH3L0&feature=channel_video_title

Bionic Dance's Clarification

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHYDZnD_MQU&feature=g-u&context=G262ed...

The video where Bionic Dance affiliates herself with a group

http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicDance#p/search/1/yDCVvbr3E3U

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[tanekki]

I do consider myself a part of the anti-theist / new atheist / whatever movement, and I DO feel responsible for others in said movement. Ultimately I chose to consider myself a part of it because I agree with what it does. I then feel it is quite important to point out very clearly those things I do not agree with, because I would expect people to figure I agree with them, having said I am an atheist... Same goes for every group I join.

[9mjb]

I am an American (US citizen).

I did not invade Iraq (even though I probably payed for a few bullets (under duress)).

Group membership, even with financial support does not entail responsibility.

I agree.

[ModernDeism]

a bad apple is still an apple. unless it becomes a banana. : )

[NoNamesLeft0102]

A little hard to read the bit at the beginning.

[TheNakedAtheist]

Continued...

I know I said above we should encourage it, but I meant we shouldn't discourage it.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@smpunditz

No, I'm saying we (secularists/atheists) shouldn't engage in discouraging, or defending Christians from the stereotypes they've freely chosen to make themselves the targets of. If someone chooses to call themselves a Christian the onus is on them, not us, to convince others that they aren't "evolution denying, abortion opposing, gay hating bigots".

[smpunditz]

@TheNakedAtheist so just to clarify you are saying that we should implement a strategy of broad brushing Christians with stereotypes in the hopes that we can shame them into becoming atheists based on your anecdotal evidence?

[TheNakedAtheist]

Continued...

You're obviously not going to get the hard core to de-convert by shaming, or ridiculing them, but it does works on casual Christians who are the majority, but are helping to represent the minority view.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@smpunditz

You're missing my point, and I think a significant percentage of Christians call themselves Christians for reason less significant reasons. If you ask most non-religious people to describe a Christian their response would be "evolution denying, abortion opposing, gay hating bigot", and that's a stereotype we should encourage. My mother, late in life, stopped calling herself a Christian, and ultimately became an atheist because she tired of being painted with that brush.

[smpunditz]

@TheNakedAtheist you are talking about material support here and that is altogether different from simply being a Christian. Yes I would say if you are given an organization money and know they are engaging in unethical practices that makes you culpable.

I would say it gets a bit more complicated when your talking about the government or political parties but in the case of religious institutions I would agree.