Chomsky explains anarchism (4 of 5)

1976 interview with Peter Jay

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Education

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• chomsky
• government
• capitalism
• anarchism

[CapitalistsEatBabies]

"a complex society is impossible without money"

Nonsense. Money implies markets. Markets imply that people have not yet accepted that "all is for all," as Kropotkin put it.

Just because you can't think outside the current paradigm, where resources are owned by the people who live near them and traded to others (a situation that precludes equality), doesn't mean a paradigm shift is impossible.

It won't happen in our lifetime, so your cutthroat jungle-law market paradise is safe, for now.

[CapitalistsEatBabies]

"The way our society works ... the people who do the unwanted work are the ones who are paid least. ...it's assumed that there will be a massive class of people who control only one factor of production (namely, their labor) and have to sell it; and they'll do that work because they have nothing else to do, and they'll be paid very little for it."

This is a crucial point. Capitalism takes wage slavery for granted.

[JaredJosephHoag]

@polymath7

(And neither related to each other nor sharing any other particularly binding, common social identity.)

[JaredJosephHoag]

@polymath7

Imagine that they're all starving to death.

[polymath7]

@JaredJosephHoag Bullshit.

Utterly brainless illustration.

Have you ever been to a wedding? A family gathering? A large communal picnic? This is not typically what happens.

Fuckwit.

[JaredJosephHoag]

@CapitalistsEatBabies

It seems that you don't understand that human desires (almost?) universally result in runaway consumption w/o restrictions.

Put 100lbs of food on a table in a room with 100 hungry people in it, and say it's for everyone. The 5-10 greediest people will rush the table and overeat, and the other 90-95 people will go hungry.

However, put a price on each pound of food, and it may be that only 85 will eat because the other 15 can't afford it. But it's better than 5-10.

[FootDanielLight]

I agree 100% with Noam about the intrinsic satisfaction garnered from jobs. Probably one of the more brilliant things I've ever heard him say. My entire family discourages me from aspiring to be a troubadour and a boulanger in France but they underestimate the satisfaction one gets from smelling and hearing freshly baked bread. I am also reminded of garbage men in Denmark, not terribly paid or seen as untouchable as in American society, but regarded as performing a necessary function

[vidiotxerox]

@jacobromu - nice - do you have some examples of your work? Scan the shit out of that paper bro!

[jacobromu]

I agree with Noam here. My summer job was basically scanning paper. I enjoyed it because I tried to become the best damn scanner monkey in the world, and broke some records, changed the way certain things are done...

[alarlol]

lol. selling icecream on the beach is FUN. its for teens or kids or whatever. or older people mostly. for each his own