John Piper - Could a pastor at bethlehem have voted for Obama?
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@WorshipInTruth
I agree. Never would I agree that it is ok for anyone to abuse alcohol. It is something scripture makes very clear.
DanPrinMan 2 months ago
Brother Piper did not vote for Obama strictly because of the abortion issue??? Is that really his only problem with Obama? I wonder how keen Brother Piper really is on American Constitutionalism and civil liberties (as opposed to "civil rights"). Our constitutionally limited republic has become an EMPIRE.... saying that one of the early 1st or 2nd century Judean Church leaders would have wanted to vote for Obama is the equivalent of saying that they were willing servants of the Roman Emperor.
WorshipInTruth 2 months ago
@DanPrinMan But Christians are not to abuse alcohol. That is not to say that somebody is not a Christian just because they drink or struggle, I myself have a problem with alcohol.... still a Christian is to attempt to stay sober in both the physical, mental and spiritual sense. Yes the occassional drink at a time of celebration is actually a part of the Christian tradition, but drunkenness and habitual drinking is foolish, this is obvious even from a secular perspective.
WorshipInTruth 2 months ago
@coolestmcse
Where do you get the idea that Americans are "offended" when someone drinks alcohol. Alcohol has always been a part of the Christian tradition...perhaps not in America, but nonetheless, it has.
DanPrinMan 5 months ago
I guess American Christians are offended when someone drinks alcohol, or so they teach. But, most of them voted for John McCain, married to Cindy McCain, whose family is the alcohol bussines.;!?!
Besides what is worse, abortion or killing Iraq/Afganisthan children? Or... aborting an American kid, or send him/her to war to get killed after they're 18 years old?
coolestmcse 7 months ago
@elimelech12 If you look at previous statements, his point is that having a black president would be a really healthy thing for America as a marker of civil rights, so if one of his elders looked at that as part of a bigger package and voted for Obama, that would be reasonable to him.
Insaneplanetman 8 months ago
You idiots gave us Bush.
SamWiseGingy 9 months ago
@Bmarch08 - as I said to the other viewer , I think what he means is that a persons ethnicity has alot to do with there perspective on certain issues. I dont think he meant anything hateful at all .
AnOldSoul45 9 months ago
@elimelech12 - I think what he means is that a persons ethnicity has alot to do with there perspective on certain issues. I dont think he meant anything hateful at all .
AnOldSoul45 9 months ago
@elimelech12 I'm puzzled by it too. It may have been cultural reception that he was concerned about. Dont think that was the thrust of his argument though in totality.
Bmarch08 10 months ago