Part 22 of 25 Justification By Faith - Sungenis vs White

Robert Sungenis and James White debate the issue of Sola Fide. Are we justified by faith alone, or is it not by faith alone? Are works necessary for Salvation? What role does grace play?

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[mjmenjivar]

Protestants Savior = PAUL

Christian Catholic Savior = JESUS

Protestant worship Paul

Christian Catholic worship JESUS

Protestants look at scripture trough Paul

Christian Catholic look at Scripture trough JESUS

Protentants main mesenger of GOD = Paul

Christian Catholic main mesenger of GOD = JESUS.

[pacislander4life]

@mjmenjivar - I dont think they worship Paul.

[justthefactsmister]

Another comment I would make is that Sungenis consistently does well against White particularly in cross examination and often makes White sutter and err, check out the papal infallibility cross examination.. No wonder White wont debate him anymore, he also knows that if he debated Sungenis on the calvinst pet love-eternal security, he would get taken by the cleaners by Sungenis. Sungenis knows the errors of the reformed position too well!!!

[pacislander4life]

Which makes sense...bc he was reformed at one time

[ryangatech]

Erm, I believe the cross was clearly won by White. His point about election not being based on anything but God's will, about how the son will ALWAYS remain in the Fathers' house (John 8:35), the point about how sola ecclesia boils down to subjective interpretations of the RCC, the 1 Tim 2:4 and 1 John 2 rebuttal... clear as day, White won.

But I'm biased, as are you :)

[pacislander4life]

Oh no, I am never biased :-)

[CaChing14]

White said that You can look at the passage "endure to the end" as descriptive. However, this would imply that there were some that were given 'true faith' but didn't keep it, disproving White's view of 'once saved, always saved'. Furthermore, if all the people who had true faith endured to the end, there would be no need for this passage in Holy Scripture.

[elwalsho]

Sorry sir, I must disagree. Sungenis quoted John 6:39-40 in support of Jesus dieing for everyone who by their free will can believe or not. But contextually it is clear that the Father choses the everyone (John 6:37) and succeeds completely in saving them and keeping them secure in peace with Christ (John6:39). Still, I think the issue in the main should bejustiication not predestination

[WaternSpirit]

Reformed Theology, to some degree remindes me of Gnosticism. I know people have agreed with that. When it comes to some doctrines that is.

[pbaylis1]

I always get the sense from White that he would do anything not to be beaten in a debate or face the truth if it means losing a debate or having to change his position. This was clear to me when he was accused along with all other protestants, of disregarding, or dancing around, Romans 2. I'm afraid it's all about debating and not much to do with the truth. Pride is involved big time.

[wuebbsco]

I will check out the 4th part like you suggest. I must admit I started to watch the first part and got a little bored. Sorry, Sungenis is not the best public speaker, no offense intended! I wanna see Sungenis and White debate Eternal Security OR Predestination! That would be a great debate. Probably a heated one too. lol

[wuebbsco]

justthefacts, you ask a good question here. The problem is, I do not have a strong knowledge of Catholicism, Mass, transubstatiation, etc. So a lot of the debates I really dont understand what they are saying! I liked this one, cause I understand the doctrine of justification by faith alone! I have a question, Does losing the debate mean you were not as good a debater, or that you were wrong on the subject?  The million dollar question!! lol